Er lootboxe gambling ?

Der var engang, hvor jeg skulle bruge 3-400 kr. på et spil. There was a time when I had to spend 3-400 SEK on a game.

Der er nok for 15.000 kr. her. There's enough here for 15,000 kr.

Men dét er, som om alle de store spil nu er gratis. But it's as if all the big games are now free.

Selv Counter-Strike er blevet free to play. Even Counter-Strike has become free to play.

De er afhængige af, at vi bruger penge inde i spillene. Derfor ser vi dem her. They rely on us spending money inside the games. That's why we see them here.

Det du lige så det var åbningen af en lootbox, en "overraskelsesmekanisme" - What you just saw was the opening of a loot box, a "surprise mechanism"

- hvor du kan få nye karakterer, nye evner eller skins. - where you can get new characters, new skills or skins.

Skins er en kosmetisk ændring af din karakter. Skins are a cosmetic change to your character.

Lootboxe fungerer på samme måde. Lootboxes work the same way.

Du betaler penge, og så kan du vinde et skin. You pay money and you can win a skin.

Lootboxe er en digital udgave af Pokémon-kort. Lootboxes are a digital version of Pokémon cards.

Når du køber en pakke, får du en håndfuld kort. When you buy a pack, you get a handful of cards.

Du ved ikke præcis, hvilke kort der er i pakken. You don't know exactly which cards are in the package.

Hvis du vil have en bestemt Pokémon, må du købe flere pakker. If you want a specific Pokémon, you need to buy multiple packs.

På samme måde fungerer lootboxe. Sådan tjener spilvirksomheden penge. Lootboxes work the same way. This is how the gaming business makes money.

De har lavet mikrotransaktioner, Season Passes, Collector Editions - They've done microtransactions, Season Passes, Collector Editions

- og hævet prisen på spillene, men de har mest succes med lootboxe. - and raised the price of the games, but they are most successful with lootboxes.

Lootboxe er ulovlige i Belgien og Holland. Lootboxes are illegal in Belgium and the Netherlands.

De synes, det minder om gambling. Men er det gambling? They think it's similar to gambling. But is it gambling?

Og skal det reguleres i Danmark? And should it be regulated in Denmark?

Spillemyndigheden agerer ud fra Folketingets rammer. The Danish Gambling Authority acts based on the framework of the Danish Parliament.

De har tre kriterier for gambling. Det er tilfældighed. They have three criteria for gambling. It is randomness.

Indskud, man skal betale penge og en gevinst, der omsættes til penge. Deposits to pay money and a win that is converted into money.

Lad os se, om lootbox-salg lever op til kriterierne? Let's see if lootbox sales meet the criteria?

En forsker har fundet ud af, at hvis man propper en rotte i et bur - A researcher has found that if you put a rat in a cage

- der kan trykke på en knap og få mad, så vil den trykke, til den er mæt. - that can press a button and get food, then it will press until it's full.

Nu har vi bare en mæt rotte. Now we just have a full rat.

Hvis man gør gevinsten tilfældig, så klikker den igen og igen og igen - If you make the win random, it will click again and again and again

- selvom den er mæt. Den kan ikke lade være. - even when it's full. It can't help itself.

Hvorfor?

Vores hjerne er dybest set ligeglad med, hvad den får i belønning. Our brain doesn't really care what rewards it gets.

Den vil have spændingen ved måske at få belønningen. It wants the thrill of maybe getting the reward.

Spilindustrien ved, at vores hjerne er ligeglad med belønningen - The gaming industry knows that our brains don't care about the reward

- den skal bare have spændingen. - It just needs the voltage.

Lad os se en lootbox fra Apex Legends. Let's see a lootbox from Apex Legends.

Der er lyde, lys og lyn, og den snurrer rundt. There are sounds, lights and lightning, and it spins around.

Det tager ret lang tid. Så er der længere tid til at opleve spændingen. It takes quite a long time. It gives you more time to experience the thrill.

Det er ligesom spillemaskiner, der blinker og drejer rundt. It's like slot machines that flash and spin.

Tilfældighed? Nej! Coincidence? No, it's not!

Du skal enten betale en lootbox med tid eller penge. You must either pay a lootbox with time or money.

Du kan spille vildt meget, aldrig betale en krone - You can play a lot, never pay a penny

- eller du kan svinge kortet. Her har virksomhederne et trick. - Or you can swipe the card. This is where companies have a trick.

Du ved ikke, hvor meget du reelt betaler. You don't know how much you're actually paying.

I stedet for at købe boxen direkte, køber du en spilvaluta - Instead of buying the box directly, you buy a game currency

- som du kan købe ting for. - for which you can buy things.

Vi bruger flere penge, når vi betaler med kort end med kontanter. We spend more money when we pay with cards than with cash.

Når vi bruger kort, ser vi ikke pengene fysisk. When we use cards, we don't see the money physically.

- Må jeg være med her? - Ja, det må du da. - Can I join you here? - Yes, of course you can.

Skal vi sige for 500 kr. Shall we say for 500 kr.

Sidste punkt gør, at spilmyndighederne ikke bare kan kalde lootboxen gambling. This last point means that gambling authorities cannot simply call the lootbox gambling.

Nemlig at en gevinst skal kunne omsættes til penge. De skriver: Namely, that a win must be convertible into money. They write:

Spillemyndighederne har aldrig vurderet en lootbox som gambling. The gambling authorities have never considered a lootbox to be gambling.

Men på Facebook sælges skins. But on Facebook, skins are sold.

De kan gå for mange tusinde kroner. Så tydeligvis har skins en værdi. They can go for thousands of dollars. So clearly, skins have value.

Belgien og Holland har haft debatten. I 2018 afgjorde Holland - Belgium and the Netherlands have had the debate. In 2018, the Netherlands decided

- at gamblingloven skulle gælde digitale præmier fx fra lootboxe. - that the Gambling Act should apply to digital prizes, e.g. from loot boxes.

I Danmark er der stadig ingen afklaring. In Denmark, there is still no clarification.