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We become envious of others who we see capable of doing it, but we too are capable of doing it.

We get in touch with our desire again, and with that we become hopeful. We are now going into that nice space of achieving something, towards our high feelings, where we have to do the work of love. Love is work. Love is work we do to tend to the thing we value.

And when that works out, we experience joy. And that takes us right back to feeling on top of the world. And you know what's going to happen next, don't you? You can slip right back down to the bottom.

And you're doing this at so many different levels, on all the planes of your life, all at the same time.

So in order to make sense of that, when I'm in dialogue with my clients, I need these kinds of diagrams so that I know where the person is, what it is that is contradictory for them, what paradox they're working with, what possibilities they see, what hopes they have, what aspirations they have.

And in all of that, our work together is about achieving together that understanding of what it means to be human and struggle with the difficulties which we all find so hard, but we can all make more of with a little bit of help.

Thank you very much. You've enough time for questions — just two questions, maybe.

Yeah, no, no, no, it's not like that. These things are also negative. You can become very giddy in your joy, and that can be extremely annoying or destructive. Every emotion has a positive and a negative side. They're all necessary things.

With that question — because I forgot to point that out — I have better diagrams that show that, and that remind you of different things that can happen to that. So, you know, jealousy can be negative, but it can also be vigilance — it can be a positive.

And joy can be thrill and excitement, but as I said, it can also make us lose our minds completely and get into trouble. Every single space in our emotions has pluses and minuses, like everything does.

Thank you. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah — yes, good question, good question.

Many psychotherapists from other schools will also work in similar ways to what I have described, and many existential therapists will use some cognitive behavioral ideas, some psychoanalytic ideas — you know, lots of different things are in common.

But where this is different is the focus and the emphasis. So this is very much about us being equals in dialogue together, and it is always about your life rather than about you and your psyche.

The psyche comes into it, and your emotions are hugely important as part of that, but it is not what we focus on. We go way, way beyond that. We have lots of political discussions, social discussions, philosophical discussions, cultural discussions. It is much, much broader-based.

That's the best I can say. Try it. Sorry.

Compassion — absolutely. It is all about finding our passion together and seeing how we need to interact with that and kind of give and take with each other. Absolutely right.

I think that's probably it, people. I came to go home. Enjoy your evening. All right.