#90 - Apprendre le français sans vivre dans un pays francophone (1)
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Salut à toutes et à tous, bienvenue !
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Hello everyone, welcome!
Je suis très content de vous retrouver avec un nouveau jingle.
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I am very happy to have you back with a new jingle.
Vous avez entendu que la musique d'introduction a changé.
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You have heard that the intro music has changed.
Ça faisait un moment que j'avais envie d'une nouvelle musique pour le podcast, donc j'ai demandé à Chris, mon ingénieur du son, qui a demandé à un de ses amis musiciens et voilà le résultat.
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Ich habe mich schon seit einiger Zeit nach neuer Musik für den Podcast gesehnt, also habe ich Chris, meinen Toningenieur, gefragt, der einen seiner Musikerfreunde gefragt hat, und das ist das Ergebnis.
I've been craving new music for the podcast for a while, so I asked Chris, my sound engineer, who asked one of his musician friends and this is the result.
Je sais pas ce que vous en pensez, mais moi, j'adore ce nouveau jingle.
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Ich weiß nicht, was du denkst, aber ich liebe diesen neuen Jingle.
I don't know what you think, but I love this new jingle.
Sizi bilmem ama ben bu yeni jingle'a bayıldım.
J'en suis très content.
I am very happy with it.
Estou muito feliz com isso.
Çok sevindim.
Donc, j'espère qu'il va vous plaire à vous aussi.
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Also, ich hoffe es gefällt dir auch.
So, I hope you like it too.
Umarım siz de beğenirsiniz.
Dans l'épisode d'aujourd'hui, je vous propose d'écouter une interview, et pas n'importe laquelle : une interview d'Anna.
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In der heutigen Folge möchte ich Ihnen ein Interview anhören, und zwar nicht irgendeines: ein Interview mit Anna.
In today's episode, I suggest you listen to an interview, and not just any one: an interview with Anna.
In de aflevering van vandaag nodig ik je uit om naar een interview te luisteren, en niet zomaar een interview: een interview met Anna.
Bugünkü bölümde sizi bir röportajı dinlemeye davet ediyorum, ama herhangi bir röportajı değil: Anna ile yapılan bir röportajı.
Anna, comme vous le savez peut-être, c'est la première recrue d'innerFrench.
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Anna, wie Sie vielleicht wissen, ist sie die erste Rekrutin von innerFrench.
Anna, as you may know, is innerFrench's first recruit.
Bildiğiniz gibi Anna, innerFrench'in ilk çalışanı.
Elle a rejoint l'entreprise au mois de septembre.
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Sie trat im September in das Unternehmen ein.
She joined the company in September.
Şirkete Eylül ayında katıldı.
Donc maintenant, elle est prof, chez innerFrench.
So now she's a teacher at innerFrench.
Dans cette interview, vous allez entendre comment Anna a appris le français.
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In this interview, you will hear how Anna learned French.
Bu röportajda Anna'nın Fransızcayı nasıl öğrendiğini dinleyeceksiniz.
Et ce qui est vraiment impressionnant, c'est qu'elle n'a jamais vécu en France ni dans un pays francophone.
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And what is really impressive is that she has never lived in France or in a French-speaking country.
Asıl etkileyici olan ise Fransa'da ya da Fransızca konuşulan başka bir ülkede hiç yaşamamış olması.
Elle a appris le français tout en restant en Pologne.
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She learned French while staying in Poland, sometimes you hear that it's impossible to learn a language without living in the country where it is spoken.
Polonya'da kalırken Fransızca öğrendi.
Parfois, on entend que c'est impossible d'apprendre une langue sans vivre dans le pays où elle est parlée.
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Well, Anna is proof to the contrary.
Bazen bir dilin konuşulduğu ülkede yaşamadan o dili öğrenmenin imkansız olduğunu duyarız.
Eh bien, Anna est la preuve du contraire.
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In this episode, she will explain to us what method and what tools she used to learn French.
Anna bunun tam tersini kanıtlıyor.
Dans cet épisode, elle va nous expliquer quelle méthode et quels outils elle a utilisés pour apprendre le français.
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She will give you, for example, some very original reading tips, books that we rarely see recommended for learning French.
Bu bölümde, Fransızca öğrenmek için kullandığı yöntem ve araçları açıklıyor.
Elle va vous donner, par exemple, quelques conseils de lecture qui sont très originaux, des livres qu'on voit rarement recommandés pour apprendre le français.
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She will also tell you how she managed to finally understand French films without the subtitles.
Örneğin, size Fransızca öğrenmek için nadiren tavsiye edilen bazı orijinal okuma tavsiyeleri verecektir.
Elle va aussi vous raconter comment elle a fait pour enfin comprendre les films français sans les sous-titres.
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That, I know that is a difficulty that many of you have, this difference between the formal French that you learn, in French lessons or in French books, and the informal French that you can hear in the movies.
Ayrıca size sonunda altyazısız Fransız filmlerini nasıl anlamayı başardığını da anlatacak.
Ça, je sais que c'est une difficulté que beaucoup d'entre vous ont, cette différence entre le français formel que vous apprenez, dans les cours ou dans les livres de français, et le français informel que vous pouvez entendre dans les films.
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We will talk about all these topics in this episode.
Bunun birçoğunuzun yaşadığı bir zorluk olduğunu biliyorum; kurslarda veya Fransızca kitaplarda öğrendiğiniz resmi Fransızca ile filmlerde duyduğunuz gayri resmi Fransızca arasındaki bu fark.
On va parler de tous ces sujets dans cet épisode.
It will also be an opportunity for you to meet Anna.
Bu bölümde tüm bu konular hakkında konuşacağız.
Ça va aussi être l'occasion pour vous de faire la connaissance d'Anna.
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And I hope her story will motivate you to continue learning the language of Molière.
Ayrıca Anna ile tanışma şansınız da olacak.
Et j'espère que son histoire va vous motiver à continuer d'apprendre la langue de Molière.
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There you go, without further ado, I suggest you listen to the interview with Anna.
Ve umarım onun hikâyesi sizi Molière'in dilini öğrenmeye devam etmeniz için motive eder.
Voilà, sans plus attendre, je vous propose d'écouter l'interview avec Anna.
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Hugo: Good, hi Anna!
Sözü daha fazla uzatmadan Anna ile yaptığımız röportajı dinleyelim.
Hugo: Bon, salut Anna !
Anna: Hi!
Merhaba Anna!
Anna: Salut !
Merhaba!
Hugo: Merci d'avoir accepté mon invitation.
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Anna: You're welcome, with pleasure.
Anna: De rien, avec plaisir.
Hugo: Well anyway, you don't really have a choice but… 😉 So, I'm very happy to be here with
Hugo: Bon de toute façon, tu as pas vraiment le choix mais… 😉 Alors, je suis très content d'être là avec toi.
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ec you. In addition, we can do this interview together, in the same room and not on Int
フーゴ:まあ、いずれにせよ、選択の余地はないんだけど......。
Hugo: Nou ja, je hebt toch niet echt een keuze, maar... 😉 Dus ik ben heel blij dat ik hier bij jullie ben.
Hugo: Aslında başka bir seçeneğin yok ama... 😉 Bu yüzden burada seninle olmaktan çok mutluyum.
En plus, on peut faire cette interview ensemble, dans la même pièce et pas sur Internet.
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Hugo: Ok, ok, and you never left Krakow?
Dahası, bu röportajı internet üzerinden değil, aynı odada birlikte yapabiliriz.
Parce que, comme vous le savez, je suis à Cracovie en ce moment.
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Anna: I never left Krakow for long. Yes, it's true. My longest trip was last year. I have traveled a bit in Australia and New Zealand. So the project, a priori, was to stay there for a year. But unfortunately, due to the pandemic, I had to change my plans and had to come back to Poland.
Çünkü, bildiğiniz gibi, şu anda Krakow'dayım.
Et Anna, toi, tu es originaire aussi de Cracovie.
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Hugo: Well, I know it's a bit hard to say when you've lived somewhere for years, it's hard to still know what you like about this place. But, you, when you meet tourists, for example abroad, how do you describe Krakow to them?
Ve Anna, sen de Krakow'dansın.
Anna: C'est ça, exactement.
Anna: What I always appreciate in this city, I know that tourists also appreciate it, is the atmosphere of the city. It is a very artistic city. Lots of students, lots of foreigners too, who bring, I think, a lot of color here to our city. I also say that Krakow is perhaps the only city that was spared during the Second World War. So that's why we can find traces of all eras here. The buildings, they are perfectly preserved. So it's a city that's… It's a city that's very… It's a historic city, that's full of… I don't know what…
Anna: Aynen öyle.
Je suis née ici.
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Hugo: No ok, it's true that, architecturally…, me, coming from Warsaw, indeed, it's very different.
C'est ma ville natale.
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Anna: It's true, yes.
Orası benim memleketim.
Donc à Cracovie, l'ancienne capitale de la Pologne.
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lodge. Hugo: Ok, ok, and you never left Cra
Polonya'nın eski başkenti Krakow'a.
Hugo: Ok, ok, et tu as jamais quitté Cracovie ?
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Anna: Yes, for sure, for sure. So unfortunately, Warsaw was not spared like Krakow, and we had to rebuild. I think the constructions are quite faithful, but still, they are only the reconstructions of what existed before.
Hugo: Tamam, tamam, ve sen Krakow'dan hiç ayrılmadın mı?
Anna: J'ai jamais quitté Cracovie pour longtemps.
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Hugo: Yeah, and it's only in the old town, besides, Warsaw, that this was all rebuilt. And it's true that, well, for people who have been there before, it looks a bit like a theater set, sometimes.
Anna: Krakow'dan çok uzun süre ayrılmadım.
Oui, c'est vrai.
Yes, that's true.
Evet, bu doğru.
Mon voyage le plus long, c'était l'année dernière.
My longest trip was last year.
En uzun seyahatim geçen yıldı.
J'ai voyagé un peu en Australie et en Nouvelle-Zélande.
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I traveled a bit in Australia and New Zealand.
Donc le projet, a priori c'était d'y rester un an.
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r one year. But unfortunately due to the pandemic I had to change my plans and had to go back to Po
だから1年間滞在する計画だった。
Yani planımız bir yıl kalmaktı.
Mais malheureusement, à cause de la pandémie, j'ai dû changer mes plans et j'ai dû revenir en Pologne.
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lodge. Hugo: Well, I know it's a little hard to say when you've lived somewhere for years, it's hard to know yet what you appreciate in this place.
Ancak ne yazık ki pandemi nedeniyle planlarımı değiştirmek ve Polonya'ya dönmek zorunda kaldım.
Hugo: Bon, je sais que c'est un peu difficile à dire quand on habite quelque part pendant des années, c'est difficile de savoir encore ce qu'on apprécie dans cet endroit.
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Hugo: Also, ich weiß, es ist ein bisschen schwierig zu sagen, wenn man jahrelang an einem Ort lebt.
law. But, you, when you meet tourists, for example abroad, how do you describe Cra
フーゴ:そうだね、何年も住んでいると、その土地のどこが好きなのかわからなくなるものだ。
Hugo: Bir yerde yıllarca yaşadıktan sonra orayla ilgili hala neleri sevdiğinizi söylemenin biraz zor olduğunu biliyorum.
Mais, toi, quand tu rencontres des touristes, par exemple à l'étranger, comment tu leur décris Cracovie ?
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covie? Anna: What I always appreciate in this city, I know that tourists, they also appreciate it, it is the atmosphere of the
でも、例えば海外の観光客に会ったとき、彼らにクラクフのことをどう説明しますか?
Ama örneğin yurtdışında turistlerle karşılaştığınızda onlara Krakow'u nasıl tarif ediyorsunuz?
Anna: Ce que j'apprécie toujours dans cette ville, je sais que les touristes, ils l'apprécient aussi, c'est l'ambiance de la ville.
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Hugo: Yeah ok… But there you have it, there is always a bit of these rivalries between the big cities and the capital. Well, Poland is no exception, let's say.
アンナ:私がこの街でいつも評価しているのは、そして観光客も評価していることを知っているのは、街の雰囲気だ。
Anna: Bu şehirde her zaman takdir ettiğim ve turistlerin de takdir ettiğini bildiğim şey, şehrin atmosferidir.
C'est une ville très artistique.
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tick. Lots of students, lots of foreigners too, who bring, I think, a lot of color here in our
Çok sanatsal bir şehir.
Plein d'étudiants, plein d'étrangers aussi, qui apportent, je pense, beaucoup de couleurs, ici, dans notre ville.
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city. I also say that Krakow is perhaps the only city that was spared during WWII my
Çok sayıda öğrenci, çok sayıda yabancı da var ve bence bunlar şehrimize çok renk katıyor.
Je dis aussi que Cracovie, c'est peut-être la seule ville qui a été épargnée pendant la Deuxième Guerre mondiale.
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Ich sage auch, dass Krakau vielleicht die einzige Stadt ist, die während des Zweiten Weltkriegs verschont geblieben ist.
diale. So that's why we can find traces of all times
Ayrıca Krakow'un belki de İkinci Dünya Savaşı sırasında canı bağışlanan tek şehir olduğunu söylüyorum.
Donc c'est pourquoi on peut trouver des traces de toutes les époques ici.
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Hugo: So, how did your adventure with French begin? Do you remember any of your first contacts with the language?
İşte bu yüzden burada her dönemin izlerini bulabilirsiniz.
Les immeubles, ils sont parfaitement conservés.
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Anna: I think that my first contacts, really first contacts, were French songs that were played on the radio. Because you should know that the Poles are very Francophiles. They especially love French music. So I think that's where I first heard someone speak or rather sing in French. But I started to learn French when I was 13, really. So that's where I really discovered the language.
Binalar mükemmel bir şekilde korunmuştur.
Donc c'est une ville qui est… C'est une ville qui est très… C'est une ville historique, qui est pleine de… Je sais pas quoi…
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Hugo: And do you remember the type of songs that were on the radio? Was it, there, Edith Piaf, etc., the old variety or something a little more modern?
Yani bu bir şehir... Bu bir şehir... Bu çok... Bu tarihi bir şehir, dolu... Bilmiyorum ne...
Hugo: Non ok, c'est vrai que, architecturalement…, moi, en venant de Varsovie, effectivement, c'est très différent.
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Anna: Yeah. They weren't as old songs as that, for example Edith Piaf (even if the Poles, they like Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, of course). No, it was more pop songs, songs that maybe also aired on the radio in France, I don't know. I unfortunately do not remember the titles now.
Hugo: Hayır, mimari açıdan... Varşova'dan geldiğim için çok farklı olduğu doğru.
Anna: C'est vrai, oui.
i, yes. Hugo: I don't know if this is the case, but I imagine that Warsaw, before being totally destroyed during the Second World War, maybe it looked a little more like Cra
Hugo: Je sais pas si c'est le cas, mais j'imagine que Varsovie, avant d'être totalement détruite pendant la Seconde Guerre mondiale, ça ressemblait peut-être un peu plus à Cracovie.
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Anna: Yeah. More current, yes.
ワルシャワが第二次世界大戦で完全に破壊される前は、もう少しクラクフに似ていたのではないかと想像している。
Hugo: Durum böyle mi bilmiyorum ama Varşova'nın İkinci Dünya Savaşı sırasında tamamen yok edilmeden önce belki biraz daha Krakow'a benzediğini hayal ediyorum.
Anna: Oui, c'est sûr, c'est sûr.
is sure. So unfortunately, Warsaw was not spared like Krakow, and we had to reconst
Donc malheureusement, Varsovie n'a pas été épargnée comme Cracovie, et on a dû reconstruire.
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So unfortunately, Warsaw was not spared like Krakow, and it had to be rebuilt.
Ne yazık ki Varşova da Krakow gibi kurtulamadı ve yeniden inşa etmek zorunda kaldık.
Je pense que les constructions sont assez fidèles, mais quand même, ce sont seulement les reconstructions de ce qui existait avant.
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I think the constructions are quite faithful, but still, they are only reconstructions of what existed before.
Yapıların oldukça sadık olduğunu düşünüyorum, ancak öyle olsa bile, bunlar daha önce var olanların yeniden yapılandırılmasıdır.
Hugo: Ouais, et c'est seulement dans la vieille ville, en plus, de Varsovie, que tout ça a été reconstruit.
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Hugo: Yeah, and it's only in the old town, in addition, of Warsaw, that all of this has been rebuilt.
Hugo: Evet, ve sadece eski şehirde, Varşova'da her şey yeniden inşa edildi.
Et c'est vrai que, bon, pour les personnes qui y sont déjà allées, ça ressemble un peu à un décor de théâtre, parfois.
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Hugo: And did you have the choice between several languages in your school or was it only French?
Ve şu da bir gerçek ki, oraya daha önce gitmiş olan insanlar için burası bazen bir tiyatro sahnesine benziyor.
Anna: C'est vrai, oui.
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Anna: In my school, there was also German and French. So it was only these two languages. But me, in primary school, as I didn't want to learn German too much, it didn't really appeal to me as a language to learn, and in addition, I heard about a French class in my college, a a class that also prepared for the DELF exam, a class where you could learn French quite intensively, so I thought to myself that maybe that would be a good idea. There you go, I signed up for this class at this college.
Anna: Bu doğru, evet.
Hugo: Ça fait un peu, un peu, Disneyland.
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Hugo: And were you already attracted to foreign languages at that time or not especially?
Un peu artificiel.
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hereel. But it is very pretty when
Biraz yapay.
Mais c'est très joli quand même.
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Hugo: OK. So it's a little French that reconciled you with foreign languages.
Ama yine de çok güzel.
Et il y a une petite rivalité entre Varsovie et Cracovie, non ?
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Anna: You can say it like that, yes.
ワルシャワとクラクフの間にはちょっとしたライバル関係がありますよね?
Varşova ve Krakow arasında da biraz rekabet var, değil mi?
Anna: Une petite.
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Hugo: OK. And what was it like with those classes in elementary school, those more intensive classes? How did it go at the beginning, your learning French?
Anna: Küçük bir tane.
Une petite, oui.
e, yes. I think when I was younger I didn't like Var too much
Je pense que quand j'étais plus jeune, je n'aimais pas trop Varsovie.
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sovie. But you know I was… It wasn't for a concrete reason, I think, but it was… Yes, it was somewhere, I don't know, in my DNA, I don't know, from Krakow, that Warsaw, it's not too much
若い頃はワルシャワがあまり好きではなかったと思う。
Sanırım gençken Varşova'yı pek sevmezdim.
Mais tu sais j'étais… C'était pas pour une raison concrète, je pense, mais c'était… Oui, c'était quelque part, je sais pas, dans mon ADN, je sais pas, de Cracovienne, que Varsovie, c'est pas trop sympa.
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But you know I was… It wasn't for a concrete reason, I think, but it was… Yes, it was somewhere, I don't know, in my DNA, I don't know, from Krakow, that Warsaw, it's not too nice.
Maar weet je, ik was... Het was niet om een concrete reden, denk ik, maar het was... Ja, het zat ergens, ik weet het niet, in mijn DNA, ik weet het niet, als een Krakauiaan, dat Warschau niet zo leuk is.
Ama biliyorsunuz ben... Somut bir nedeni yoktu sanırım ama... Evet, bir Krakovlu olarak Varşova'nın pek de hoş olmadığı DNA'mda bir yerlerde vardı, bilmiyorum.
Mais en fait, maintenant, j'aime beaucoup.
Hugo: So then you continued in high school and you had lessons with this particular teacher, right?
Ama şimdi gerçekten hoşuma gidiyor.
C'est différent de Cracovie.
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covie. It's more… There is more space, more green spaces
Krakow'dan farklı.
C'est plus… Il y a plus d'espace, d'espaces verts aussi.
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Hugo: It's true. We often receive emails at innerFrench from people asking us questions about our courses, for example, asking us if it's a good idea, because… Because they want to learn to speak better, to express themselves better in French. And honestly, we often get the answer that no. The best is always to have a private tutor. Well, individual lessons are not always accessible to everyone.
Daha fazla... Daha fazla alan var, yeşil alanlar da var.
Et j'aime bien.
It can be expensive, but it's true that now there are platforms like iTalki, which we regularly quote, on which you can find, perhaps not professional teachers, but tutors or people with whom you can have lessons for… I've seen prices like 7 or 8 euros an hour, which is quite affordable.
Ve bunu sevdim.
J'apprécie beaucoup de choses à Varsovie.
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Anna: Yes, exactly. And in addition, we can also try to offer to teach another language to this person. So me too, I worked for 2 years in pairs with a girl who… She taught me English, I taught her French and it was very good. It worked very well.
ワルシャワには好きなところがたくさんある。
Varşova ile ilgili pek çok şeyi seviyorum.
Des choses qui sont différentes de Cracovie.
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covie. Hugo: I think that in a lot of countries, there is still this ... maybe not jealousy, but a bit of this rivalry with the cape.
Hugo: Je pense que dans beaucoup de pays, il y a toujours cette… peut-être pas jalousie, mais un peu cette rivalité avec la capitale.
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Hugo: I think that in many countries, there's always this... maybe not jealousy, but a bit of rivalry with the capital.
Hugo: Bence pek çok ülkede her zaman... belki kıskançlık değil ama başkentle biraz rekabet vardır.
Surtout que… Non, Cracovie, c'est pas la deuxième ville en Pologne ?
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Hugo: And so your teachers too, for your private lessons, were they always Poles? Didn't you have a French teacher?
Özellikle de... Hayır, Krakow Polonya'nın ikinci büyük şehri değil mi?
C'est la troisième en termes d'habitants ?
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s? Anna: From my studies, I had French teachers. I only had French teachers, or
人口では第3位ですか?
Nüfus bakımından en büyük üçüncü ülke mi?
Anna: Troisième, il me semble, oui.
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Hugo: OK. So, just after high school, why did you decide to study French at university?
アンナ:3番目ね。
Anna: Üçüncüsü, sanırım, evet.
Hugo: Łódż, il me semble que c'est la deuxième.
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Anna: I think I saw that French or that knowing a foreign language can bring me a lot of opportunities, professional outlets. I told myself that even if, I don't know… If one day, I decide to give up my studies, that I want to study foreign languages more, at least I will master a language. So it's not going to be wasted time. And yes, I think after my studies, I said to myself that if I can become either a translator, or a teacher, or work in a large company, in tourism, so I really saw a lot of chances, of opportunities. So, I decided to study French without having really decided on my professional career a bit.
Hugo: Łódż, bana öyle geliyor ki ikincisi.
Anna : Oui peut-être.
Hugo: OK so, for you, it was really, there you have it, a skill. And you thought that this skill could allow you to do different jobs afterwards?
Oui, oui.
i, yes. Hugo: Yeah ok ... But there you have it, there are always these rivalries between the big cities and the cape.
Hugo: Ouais ok… Mais bon voilà, il y a toujours un peu ces rivalités entre les grandes villes et la capitale.
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itale. And hey, Poland is no exception, we
Hugo: Evet, tamam... Ama büyük şehirler ve başkent arasında her zaman biraz rekabet vardır.
Et bon, la Pologne ne fait pas exception, on va dire.
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Und gut, Polen ist da keine Ausnahme, könnte man sagen.
Anna: No, not yet. No, I wasn't sure ...
Hugo: Oui, oui.
i, yes. I think it's pretty common to all
Hugo: Evet, evet.
Je pense que c'est plutôt commun à tous les pays.
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It was a bit like that. It was a big ... You know a big ... It was a bit of a gap between high school and studying. Because at university it was really, really intense. Most of the lessons were in French. But in general, I was pretty happy with all of my classes. Of course, there were courses, subjects, which I found less useful or less exciting.
Bunun tüm ülkeler için ortak bir durum olduğunu düşünüyorum.
Hugo: Ok.
Hugo: Like what for example?
Alors, dans cet épisode, j'aimerais qu'on parle de ton apprentissage du français parce que, voilà, comme vous l'avez entendu, Anna, est polonaise, elle est née à Cracovie, elle a grandi à Cracovie.
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Anna: For example, I don't know… I think we had a lot, but a lot of lessons, psychology and pedagogy. There were things that were repeated over and over again, so maybe we could do it a little bit different, treat these topics a little bit different, I dunno.
Bu bölümde Fransızca öğrenmeniz hakkında konuşmak istiyorum çünkü duyduğunuz gibi Anna Polonyalı, Krakow'da doğdu, Krakow'da büyüdü.
Donc voilà, t'es 100% Polonaise.
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naise. You had no French in your family, anyone
İşte gördünüz mü, %100 Polonyalısınız.
T'avais pas de Français dans ta famille quelque part ?
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Didn't you have French in your family somewhere?
どこかにフランス人の家族がいたのでは?
Bir yerlerde Fransız bir ailen yok muydu?
Anna: 100 % polonaise, je confirme.
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Hugo: And there you have it, for me, it was totally absurd because it was written in old French, in really a language that is very difficult to understand, even for the French. And since they were first year students, they didn't have an exceptional level of French. And they started literature with texts like that. And there you have it, for me, it's really part of that absurdity, sometimes… Well, I love college, there are some really good classes, and so on. But sometimes in the design of the curriculum, there are really things where we have the impression that, here it is, they do not take into account the pedagogical side at all and it is simply: there, it is the chronological order. , we will respect this chronological order, and that's it.
アンナ:100%ポーランド人です。
Anna: %100 Polonyalı, bunu doğrulayabilirim.
Hugo: Donc, comment ça a commencé, ton aventure avec le français ?
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Anna: Yeah, you're absolutely right, yeah. At first it was really disheartening. It was really disheartening. Me too, I started with La Chanson de Roland. And… And I think that in the end, I read it in Polish because, well, reading it in French was too much. It was a bit too much for me, so I did it in Polish. Then I also read the French version to have the vocabulary, to be able to talk about it during the lessons. But yes, it was really difficult, yes.
Hugo: Peki Fransızca ile maceranız nasıl başladı?
Est-ce que tu te souviens un peu de tes premiers contacts avec la langue ?
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angue? Anna: I think that my first contacts, really first contacts, were French songs which played
Dil ile ilk temasınız hakkında bir şey hatırlıyor musunuz?
Anna: Je pense que mes premiers contacts, vraiment premiers contacts, c'était des chansons françaises qui passaient à la radio.
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Anna: Yeah, yeah. There are other books though, which are a bit more fascinating.
アンナ:最初の接触は、本当に最初の接触は、ラジオから流れてきたフランスの歌だったと思う。
Parce que vous devez savoir que les Polonais, ils sont très francophiles.
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s. Hugo: Ok, Ok. But overall, you were happy with your courses at the university
ポーランド人はフランスびいきなのだ。
Çünkü Polonyalıların çok Frankofil olduğunu bilmelisiniz.
Ils adorent surtout la musique française.
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Anna: Yes, yes, I must say that, for example, in terms of language lessons, it was quite practical, quite intense too. The teachers, they were really… Even though most of my teachers were Poles, I only had one teacher who was French, they were very, very well prepared for this course, very cultured. And really true language enthusiasts. And that, it felt. And… In general, I was really happy.
Özellikle Fransız müziğini seviyorlar.
Donc, je pense que c'est là où j'ai entendu pour la première fois quelqu'un parler ou plutôt chanter en français.
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Sanırım birinin Fransızca konuştuğunu, daha doğrusu şarkı söylediğini ilk kez orada duydum.
Mais j'ai commencé à apprendre le français à l'âge de 13 ans, vraiment.
iment. So that's where I really discovered the l
Donc c'est là que j'ai découvert vraiment la langue.
angue. Hugo: And you remember the type of songs that played
İşte dili gerçekten orada keşfettim.
Hugo: Et tu te souviens du type de chansons qui passaient à la radio ?
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Hugo: Ok, so you don't regret your decision?
Hugo: Peki radyoda çalınan şarkıların türünü hatırlıyor musunuz?
Est-ce que c'était, voilà, Édith Piaf, etc., la vieille variété ou des choses un peu plus modernes ?
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not ? Anna: No, not at all. Not at all
Édith Piaf, vs. gibi eski bir tür müydü yoksa biraz daha modern bir şey miydi?
Anna: Oui.
Hugo: And at university, what did you do besides lessons to continue improving your French?
C'étaient pas des chansons si vieilles que ça, que par exemple Edith Piaf (même si les Polonais, ils aiment bien Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, bien sûr).
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n sure). No, they were more pop songs, songs that maybe also aired on the radio in France, I know.
Örneğin Edith Piaf kadar eski değillerdi (Polonyalılar Edith Piaf'ı, Charles Aznavour'u sevseler de elbette).
Non, c'était plutôt des chansons pop, des chansons qui peut-être passaient aussi à la radio en France, je sais pas.
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You know, with a thousand rules to memorize, a thousand exceptions. And my teacher, the Frenchman with whom I had the lessons, he saw me, in this corridor. He approached. And he said to me in a very, very discreet manner: "Miss, but leave this book because there is no point in learning all these rules by heart." Leave this book and go read articles, books, rather than ... try to memorize it all. "
Hayır, daha çok pop şarkılarıydı, belki Fransa'da radyoda çalınan şarkılardı, bilmiyorum.
Je me souviens pas malheureusement des titres maintenant.
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And I took his advice. I did like that. So I started to read a lot and that's how… here, I learned to use articles, to use tenses.
Ne yazık ki şu anda başlıklarını hatırlayamıyorum.
Hugo: OK.
Because when I read, I read thoughtfully. So each time, I asked myself the question: why here, it's the past tense, not the imperfect, etc. So that was sort of my method to progress, to work even more.
Donc il y avait aussi des choses un peu plus actuelles ?
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Hugo: And what type of books did you like to read, or which author in particular?
Yani biraz daha güncel olan şeyler de vardı?
Anna: Oui.
Anna: At the very beginning of my studies, I think I started with books that I already knew… And sometimes they were even fairy tales for children. Because it was texts that were shorter. It was the texts that I already knew. So I already knew the context.
Plus actuelles, oui.
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And for me, it was much easier to understand the whole story, to understand the adjectives that were used to describe the characters, for example. And then, little by little, I… here I started to read French literature. And above all, I fell in love with North African authors.
Hugo: OK.
Maghrebian literature, French-speaking, of course. And one of my favorite authors, until… until today, is Tahar Ben Jelloun, whom I highly recommend. His books are really very, very beautiful.
OK.
Hugo: What does he talk about in general? What are his favorite subjects?
Donc, tu dis que tu as commencé à apprendre le français à 13 ans, à l'école ?
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Anna: In his books he talks a lot about identity, for example, our identity. He talks a bit about racism, about happiness. So… A little philosophical themes, we can say, but, he writes in a very clear way. For me, it was quite easy to understand. And I find it to be a very beautiful literature.
Anna: C'est ça, oui.
Hugo: OK. And do you remember how you discovered this author? Was it one of your teachers who recommended it to you or…? Because it's not… Often, French teachers at university recommend French authors instead, I imagine. And it's a little more exotic.
Hugo: Tu as commencé l'anglais avant, j'imagine.
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Anna: Yes, yes, it is not very obvious as a choice of literature. But precisely, it was one of my teachers who was passionate. Like… When I saw her passion for this literature, I said to myself: "I have to go exploring. I have to see why she is so passionate!" And I understand it now.
Hugo: İngilizceye daha önce başladığınızı tahmin ediyorum.
Anna: Oui, j'ai commencé l'anglais à l'âge de 7 ans.
Hugo: So she passed her passion on to you.
Et c'est comme ça qu'en Pologne on commence… Même à l'âge de 6 ans, parfois, déjà à l'école maternelle.
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Anna: She passed her passion on to me, yes.
Polonya'da da böyle başlıyor... 6 yaşında bile, bazen anaokulu kadar erken.
Puis à l'école primaire.
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Hugo: OK. So you read a lot. Was that really your secret weapon?
Sonra ilkokulda.
Et moi, j'ai commencé le français au collège.
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Anna: That was it, yes, my secret weapon. Especially since I could read, you know, on the tram, on the bus, all over the place. They were books, but they were also articles on the Internet. So I read all over the place, a bit of everything.
Ve ortaokulda Fransızca'ya başladım.
Donc, c'est… Oui, à l'âge de 13 ans, quand j'ai dû choisir une deuxième langue étrangère, après l'anglais.
Hugo: And was it easy to buy French books in Poland?
Yani... Evet, 13 yaşındayken İngilizceden sonra ikinci bir yabancı dil seçmem gerekiyordu.
Hugo: Et tu avais le choix entre plusieurs langues dans ton école ou c'était seulement le français ?
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Anna: So fortunately, in Krakow, there is this bookstore called Edukator, where you can order French books without any problem. And the people who work in this bookstore are really very nice. So several times they also recommended books to me that I could read. So yes, therefore, I took advantage of this bookstore to buy my books.
Hugo: Peki okulunuzda birkaç dil seçeneğiniz var mıydı yoksa sadece Fransızca mı?
Anna: Dans mon école, il y avait aussi l'allemand et le français.
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Hugo: OK. And… Because sometimes, precisely, in terms of reading advice, I have a little trouble recommending certain books because there are a lot of descriptions with a lot of vocabulary. And that can be a little discouraging because these are not necessarily words that are very useful on a daily basis.
Anna: Benim okulumda Almanca ve Fransızca da vardı.
Donc c'était seulement ces deux langues.
ngues. But me, in primary school, as I didn't want to learn German too much, it didn't really appeal to me as a language to learn, and in addition, I heard about a French class in my college, a class that also prepared for the DELF exam, a class where you could learn French quite intensively, so I thought to myself that maybe that would be a good
Yani sadece bu iki dil vardı.
Mais moi, à l'école primaire, comme je ne voulais pas trop apprendre l'allemand, ça ne me tentait pas vraiment comme langue à apprendre, et en plus, j'ai entendu parler d'une classe française dans mon collège, une classe qui préparait aussi à l'examen DELF, une classe où on pouvait apprendre le français de manière assez intense, donc, je me suis dit que peut-être, ça serait une bonne idée.
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Anna: Yes, I think so, more contemporary authors. And also to start, why not read, there you have it, fairy tales, texts that are shorter. It's still literature, it's still literature. But it's easier. It's a little easier.
Dahası, kolejimde DELF sınavına da hazırlanan bir Fransızca sınıfı olduğunu duymuştum, oldukça yoğun bir şekilde Fransızca öğrenebileceğiniz bir sınıftı, bu yüzden belki de iyi bir fikir olabileceğini düşündüm.
Et voilà, je me suis inscrite à cette classe dans ce collège.
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And there you go, I signed up for this class in this college.
Ben de bu üniversitedeki bu sınıfa kaydoldum.
Hugo: Et tu étais déjà attirée par les langues étrangères à cette époque ou pas spécialement ?
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Hugo: Were you already attracted to foreign languages at that time or not particularly?
Hugo: Peki o zamanlar yabancı dillerle zaten ilgileniyor muydunuz, yoksa pek ilgilenmiyor muydunuz?
Anna: Pas spécialement.
Anna: Not particularly.
Anna: Özellikle değil.
Pas spécialement.
definitely. I liked English, even though at the end of primary school I had a teacher who discouraged me
J'aimais l'anglais, même si à la fin de l'école primaire, j'avais un prof qui m'a découragée un peu.
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I liked English, even though by the end of primary school, I had a teacher who discouraged me a bit.
İlkokulun sonunda beni biraz cesaretlendiren bir öğretmenim olmasına rağmen İngilizceyi seviyordum.
Je sais pas de… Je trouvais que ses leçons étaient assez ennuyeuses, répétitives.
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I don't know... I found his lessons to be quite boring, repetitive.
Ne olduğunu bilmiyorum... Derslerinin oldukça sıkıcı ve tekrarlayıcı olduğunu düşündüm.
Donc voilà.
So there you go.
Donc je suis pas… J'étais pas très, très fan des langues étrangères à l'époque, mais je le suis devenue au fur et à mesure.
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So I'm not… I wasn't very, very fond of foreign languages at the time, but I gradually became one.
Yani ben... O zamanlar çok büyük bir yabancı dil hayranı değildim ama ilerledikçe hayranı oldum.
Hugo: OK.
go: OK. So it's a little French that reconciled you with foreign languages
Donc c'est un peu le français qui t'a réconciliée avec les langues étrangères.
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Es war also ein bisschen Französisch, das dich mit Fremdsprachen versöhnt hat.
So it's a little French that reconciled you with foreign languages.
Anna: On peut le dire comme ça, oui.
Anna: You could put it that way, yes.
Anna: Öyle de diyebilirsiniz, evet.
Hugo: OK.
Et c'était comment ces cours à l'école primaire, ces cours plus intensifs ?
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And how were those classes at primary school, those more intensive classes?
Peki ilkokuldaki dersler, o daha yoğun dersler nasıldı?
Comment ça s'est passé au début, ton apprentissage du français ?
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How did it go at the beginning, your learning of French?
Fransızca öğrenmek ilk başta nasıldı?
Anna: Oui, donc ça a commencé au collège.
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Anna: Yes, so it started in middle school.
Anna: Evet, yani her şey ortaokulda başladı.
J'avais des cours 4, 5 heures par semaine.
I had classes 4, 5 hours per week.
Haftada 4 ya da 5 saat ders alıyordum.
Et c'était des cours… Bien sûr, on apprenait la langue, mais aussi on apprenait beaucoup de l'histoire de la France, de la culture et je pense que c'est ça qui m'a motivée le plus parce que c'était nouveau.
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And it was classes... Of course, we were learning the language, but we were also learning a lot about the history of France, the culture, and I think that's what motivated me the most because it was new.
Ve bunlar kurslardı... Tabii ki dil öğreniyorduk ama aynı zamanda Fransız tarihi ve kültürü hakkında da çok şey öğreniyorduk ve sanırım beni en çok motive eden şey buydu çünkü yeniydi.
C'était très intéressant.
It was very interesting.
Çok ilginçti.
C'était aussi ma prof qui m'a beaucoup encouragée à apprendre le français.
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It was also my teacher who encouraged me a lot to learn French.
Aynı zamanda beni Fransızca öğrenmeye gerçekten teşvik eden öğretmenimdi.
Nous avions une prof géniale.
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We had a great teacher.
Et j'apprenais surtout à l'école pendant… en première et en deuxième classe.
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And I mostly learned at school during... in first and second grade.
Ve okulda çoğunlukla birinci ve ikinci sınıfta öğreniyordum.
Et je pense qu'en 3ème, j'ai commencé à prendre aussi des cours particuliers pour pour parler plus, pour enrichir encore plus mon vocabulaire, etc.
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And I think in 3rd grade, I started taking private lessons as well, to speak more, to further enrich my vocabulary, etc.
Ve sanırım 3. sınıfta daha fazla konuşabilmek, kelime dağarcığımı daha da genişletebilmek için özel dersler almaya başladım.
Hugo: OK.
Donc une petite précision ici : le « collège » en français, c'est avant le lycée, donc c'est pas comme l'université en anglais.
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So a little clarification here: in French, "collège" is before high school, so it's not like university in English.
Burada küçük bir açıklama: Fransızca'da 'collège', 'lycée'den önce gelir, yani İngilizce'deki üniversite gibi değildir.
Le collège, c'est avant le lycée.
Collège is before high school.
Donc tu disais que tu avais entre 13 et 15 ans, c'est ça ?
So you were saying you were between 13 and 15 years old, right?
Anna: C'est ça, exactement, oui.
Anna: That's it, exactly, yes.
Hugo: Donc ensuite, tu as continué au lycée et tu avais des cours avec cette prof particulière, c'est ça ?
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Hugo: So then you went on to high school and had classes with this particular teacher, right?
Hugo: Sonra ortaokula devam ettiniz ve bu öğretmenden ders aldınız, değil mi?
Anna: Oui, j'ai commencé en troisième classe au collège.
Anna: Yes, I started in the third grade.
Et puis j'ai continué à prendre des cours particuliers un peu au lycée.
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And then I continued to take private lessons for a while in high school.
Même pendant mes études aussi, parce que je trouvais que oui, même si je parle, tu sais, en classe avec d'autres élèves, avec ma prof. Je pensais que c'est pas assez, qu'il me faut plus d'occasions pour parler parce que je trouvais que c'est ça le plus important de pouvoir communiquer.
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Even during my studies, because I found that yes, even if I speak, you know, in class with other students, with my teacher. I thought it wasn't enough, that I need more opportunities to speak because I found that's the most important thing, being able to communicate.
Eğitimim sırasında bile, bilirsiniz, sınıfta diğer öğrencilerle, öğretmenimle konuşsam bile bunun yeterli olmadığını, konuşmak için daha fazla fırsata ihtiyacım olduğunu düşündüm çünkü bence en önemli şey bu, iletişim kurabilmek.
Et dans la classe, même si la prof était très bien organisée, elle essayait tu sais d'encourager tout le monde à parler… C'est pas assez.
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And in the classroom, even though the teacher was very well organized, she tried to, you know, encourage everyone to talk... It's not enough.
Ve sınıfta, öğretmen çok iyi organize olmasına rağmen, herkesi konuşmaya teşvik etmeye çalıştı... Bu yeterli değil.
Il y a pas assez d'occasions pour vraiment s'exprimer.
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There aren't enough opportunities to really express themselves.
Hugo: C'est vrai.
On reçoit souvent des emails chez innerFrench de personnes qui nous posent des questions par rapport à nos cours, par exemple, en nous demandant si c'est une bonne idée, parce que… Parce qu'elles ont envie d'apprendre à mieux parler, à mieux s'exprimer en français.
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We often receive emails at innerFrench from people who ask us questions about our courses, for example, asking us if it's a good idea, because... Because they want to learn to speak better, to express themselves better in French.
innerFrench'te sık sık kurslarımız hakkında sorular soran, örneğin bunun iyi bir fikir olup olmadığını soran insanlardan e-postalar alıyoruz, çünkü... Çünkü daha iyi konuşmayı, kendilerini Fransızca'da daha iyi ifade etmeyi öğrenmek istiyorlar.
Et honnêtement, nous, souvent, on vous répond que non.
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And honestly, we often get the answer that no.
Ve dürüst olmak gerekirse, size sık sık hayır diyoruz.
Le mieux, c'est toujours d'avoir un prof particulier.
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ulier. Well, individual lessons are not always accessible to everyone. It can be expensive, but it's true that now there are platforms like iTalki, which we regularly quote, on which you can find, maybe not professional teachers, but tutors or people with whom you can have lessons for… I have seen prices like 7 or 8 euros an hour, which is quite affordable. Anna: Yes, exactly. And in addition, we can also try to offer to teach another language to this person. So me too, I worked for 2 years in pairs with a girl who… She taught me English, I taught her French and it was very good. It worked very well. Hugo: Ok. Was she a Polish? Anna: Uh, she was… a Polish woman, yes. Hugo: And so your teachers too, for your private lessons, were they always Poles? Didn't you have a French teacher? Anna: From my studies, I had French teachers. I only had French teachers, yes. Hugo: OK. So, just after high school, why did you decide to study French at university? Anna: I think I saw that French or that knowing a foreign language can bring me a lot of opportunities, professional outlets. I told myself that even if, I don't know… If one day, I decide to give up my studies, that I want to study foreign languages more, at least I will master a language. So it's not going to be wasted time. And yes, I think after my studies, I said to myself that if I can become either a translator, or a teacher, or work in a large company, in tourism, so I really saw a lot of chances, of opportunities. So, I decided to study French without having really decided on my professional career a bit. Hugo: OK so, for you, it was really, there you have it, a skill. And you thought that this skill could allow you to do different jobs afterwards? Anna: Yes, yes, it was more like that, exactly. Hugo: OK, didn't you dream of becoming a French teacher? Anna: No, not yet. No, I was not sure… Hugo: And the courses at the university, were they starting? Because I know that well, when you like a subject, a subject, after at the university, when you start doing some, I don't know, 30, 40 hours a week, it can become a little ... annoying, a little frustrating. How was your classes at the university? It was a bit like that. It was a big ... You know a big ... It was a bit of a gap between high school and studying. Because at university it was really, really intense. Most of the lessons were in French. But in general, I was pretty happy with all of my classes. Of course, there were courses, subjects, which I found less useful or less exciting. Hugo: Like what for example? Anna: For example, I don't know… I think we had a lot, but a lot of lessons, in psychology and in pedagogy. There were things that were repeated over and over again, so maybe we could do it a little bit different, treat these topics a little bit different, I dunno. Hugo: I remember when I was giving lessons to students from the University of Warsaw who, like you, took private lessons with me… In the first year, they had a course in French literature. And as it was in chronological order, they started with the literature of the Middle Ages, so La Chanson de Roland. Anna: Oh yeah. Hugo: And there you have it, for me, it was totally absurd because it was written in old French, in really a language that is very difficult to understand, even for the French. And since they were first year students, they didn't have an exceptional level of French. And they started literature with texts like that. And there you have it, for me, it's really part of that nonsense, sometimes… Well, I love college, there are some really good classes, and so on. But sometimes in the design of the curriculum, there are really things where we have the impression that, here it is, they do not take into account the pedagogical side at all and it is simply: there, it is the chronological order. , we will respect this chronological order, and that's it. Anna: Yeah, you're absolutely right, yeah. At first it was really disheartening. It was really disheartening. Me too, I started with La Chanson de Roland. And… And I think that in the end, I read it in Polish because, well, reading it in French was too much. It was a bit too much for me, so I did it in Polish. Then I also read the French version to have the vocabulary, to be able to talk about it during the lessons. But yes, it was really difficult, yes. Hugo: Yes, besides, it's not a text… It is sometimes compared, I don't know, to the Iliad, the Odyssey, but it's not as interesting, in my opinion. There you have it, when you're a first year university student. Well, it's kind of a warrior story, actually, from the Middle Ages. It is not a fascinating subject, in my opinion. Anna: Yeah, yeah. There are other books though, which are a bit more fascinating. Hugo: Ok, Ok. But overall you were happy with your classes at university. Anna: Yes, yes, I must say that, for example, in terms of language lessons, it was quite practical, quite intense too. The teachers, they were really… Even though most of my teachers were Poles, I only had one teacher who was French, they were very, very well prepared for this course, very cultured. And really true language enthusiasts. And that, it felt. And… In general, I was really happy. Hugo: And… So among the other students, did you really feel a progression between the first and the last year? Did everyone speak fluently after graduation? Anna: So when we started our studies, we were divided into three groups, on the level… according to the level of the language. So there were three groups. The first group was the group of false beginners or beginners beginners. So there were even people who… who just… had just, you know, started to learn French. So they, I know they have made a lot of progress. They really worked a lot. I was in the third group, so it was the most advanced group. But to be honest, I was one of the worst students because there were… In my group, there were people who had lived in France for a few years, who had attended French high school. So, I had the possibility of changing groups to be in the middle group. But I thought to myself: I'd rather be, you know, the worst student in the best group. And like that, I'll… Maybe I'll improve faster. And that's what I did. So I worked hard, especially for the first few months. And then, when I saw that I was progressing, it motivated me. It wasn't too much for me. I told myself that I was going to stay in this group and that I was going to continue like this. Hugo: Ok, so you don't regret your decision? Anna: No, not at all. Not at all. Hugo: And at university, what did you do besides lessons to continue improving your French? Anna: I read a lot, especially. I remember a pretty… pretty funny situation in college. It was before my exam, I was sitting somewhere in the hallway and I had a big book on articles. You know, with a thousand rules to memorize, a thousand exceptions. And my teacher, the Frenchman with whom I had the lessons, he saw me, in this corridor. He approached. And he said to me in a very, very discreet manner: "Miss, but leave this book because there is no point in learning all these rules by heart." Leave this book and go read articles, books, rather than ... try to memorize it all. And I took his advice. I did like that. So I started to read a lot and that's how… here, I learned to use articles, to use tenses. Because when I read, I read thoughtfully. So each time, I asked myself the question: why here, it's the past tense, not the imperfect, etc. So that was sort of my method to progress, to work even more. Hugo: And what type of books did you like to read, or which author in particular? Anna: At the very beginning of my studies, I think I started with books that I already knew… And sometimes they were even fairy tales for children. Because it was texts that were shorter. It was the texts that I already knew. So I already knew the context. And for me, it was much easier to understand the whole story, to understand the adjectives that were used to describe the characters, for example. And then, little by little, I… here I started to read French literature. And above all, I fell in love with North African authors. Maghrebian literature, French-speaking, of course. And one of my favorite authors, until… until today, is Tahar Ben Jelloun, whom I highly recommend. His books are really very, very beautiful. Hugo: What does he talk about in general? What are his favorite subjects? Anna: In his books he talks a lot about identity, for example, our identity. He talks a bit about racism, about happiness. So… A little philosophical themes, we can say, but, he writes in a very clear way. For me, it was quite easy to understand. And I find it to be a very beautiful literature. Hugo: OK. And do you remember how you discovered this author? Was it one of your teachers who recommended it to you or…? Because it's not… Often, French teachers at university recommend French authors instead, I imagine. And it's a little more exotic. Anna: Yes, yes, it is not very obvious as a choice of literature. But precisely, it was one of my teachers who was passionate. Like… When I saw her passion for this literature, I said to myself: "I have to go exploring. I have to see why she is so passionate!" And I understand it now. Hugo: So she passed her passion on to you. Anna: She passed her passion on to me, yes. Hugo: OK. So you read a lot. Was that really your secret weapon? Anna: That was it, yes, my secret weapon. Especially since I could read, you know, on the tram, on the bus, all over the place. They were books, but they were also articles on the Internet. So I read all over the place, a bit of everything. Hugo: And was it easy to buy French books in Poland? Anna: So fortunately, in Krakow, there is this bookstore called Edukator, where you can order French books without any problem. And the people who work in this bookstore are really, really nice. So several times they also recommended books to me that I could read. So yes, therefore, I took advantage of this bookstore to buy my books. Hugo: OK. And… Because sometimes, precisely, in terms of reading advice, I have a little trouble recommending certain books because there are a lot of descriptions with a lot of vocabulary. And that can be a little discouraging because these are not necessarily words that are very useful on a daily basis. And it's a bit difficult to find the right balance between an interesting story, with some useful vocabulary, and a little limited, but at the same time, here we are, contemporary authors, etc. Anna: Yes, I think so, more contemporary authors. And also to start, why not read, there you have it, fairy tales, texts that are shorter. It's still literature, it's still literature. But it's easier. It's a little easier. Although sometimes we can even find the simple past in these fairy tales. But… But yes, that's how we also get used to, that's it, seeing different tenses, even the simple past. Hugo: It's true, indeed, which is very useful, the past simple. And that is endangered Anna: It must be preserved. Hugo: It must be preserved, exactly.
En iyisi her zaman özel bir öğretmene sahip olmaktır.
Bon, les cours individuels ne sont pas toujours accessibles à tout le monde.
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Well, individual lessons are not always accessible to everyone.
Tamam, bire bir dersler her zaman herkes için erişilebilir değildir.
Ça peut être cher, mais c'est vrai que maintenant, il y a des plateformes comme iTalki, qu'on cite régulièrement, sur lesquelles vous pouvez trouver, peut-être pas des profs professionnels, mais des tuteurs ou des personnes avec lesquelles vous pouvez avoir des cours pour… J'ai vu des prix comme 7 ou 8 euros de l'heure, ce qui est assez accessible.
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It can be expensive, but it's true that now there are platforms like iTalki, which we regularly mention, where you can find, perhaps not professional teachers, but tutors or people with whom you can have lessons for... I've seen prices like 7 or 8 euros per hour, which is quite affordable.
Anna: Oui, exactement.
Anna: Yes, exactly.
Et en plus, on peut aussi essayer de proposer d'enseigner une autre langue à cette personne.
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And in addition, we can also try to offer to teach another language to this person.
Buna ek olarak, bu kişiye başka bir dil öğretmeyi de deneyebiliriz.
Donc, moi aussi, j'ai travaillé pendant 2 ans en binôme avec une fille qui… Elle m'enseignait l'anglais, moi je lui enseignais le français et c'était très bien.
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So, I also worked for 2 years in partnership with a girl who... She taught me English, I taught her French, and it was very good.
Ben de 2 yıl boyunca bir kızla çalıştım... O bana İngilizce öğretti, ben de ona Fransızca öğrettim ve bu çok iyiydi.
Ça marchait très bien.
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It worked very well.
Hugo: Ok.
Hugo: Ok.
C'était une Polonaise ?
Was she a Polish woman?
Anna: Euh elle était… Une Polonaise, oui.
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Anna: Uh she was... A Polish woman, yes.
Anna: Şey, o... Polonyalı bir kızdı, evet.
Hugo: Et donc tes profs aussi, pour tes cours particuliers, c'était toujours des Polonais ?
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Hugo: So your teachers as well, for your private lessons, were they always Polish?
Hugo: Yani özel ders aldığınız öğretmenleriniz de hep Polonyalı mıydı?
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Didn't you have a French teacher?
Fransızca öğretmenin yok muydu?
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Anna: During my studies, I had French teachers.
Anna: Okuduğum dönemden itibaren Fransızca öğretmenlerim vardı.
J'avais que des profs français, oui.
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I only had French teachers, yes.
Sadece Fransızca öğretmenlerim vardı, evet.
Hugo: OK.
Hugo: OK.
Donc, justement après le lycée, pourquoi tu as décidé d'étudier le français à l'université ?
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So, right after high school, why did you decide to study French at university?
Peki, liseden sonra neden üniversitede Fransızca okumaya karar verdiniz?
Anna: Je pense que je voyais que le français ou que la connaissance d'une langue étrangère, ça, ça peut m'apporter beaucoup d'opportunités, de débouchés professionnels.
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Anna: I think I saw that French or the knowledge of a foreign language can bring me many opportunities, professional outlets.
Anna: Sanırım Fransızcanın ya da yabancı bir dil bilmenin kariyer olanakları açısından bana pek çok fırsat sunabileceğini fark ettim.
Je me suis dit que même si, je sais pas… Si un jour, je décide d'abandonner mes études, que je veux plus étudier les langues étrangères, au moins, je vais maîtriser une langue.
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I told myself that even if I don't know... If one day I decide to abandon my studies, that I no longer want to study foreign languages, at least I will master one language.
Kendi kendime dedim ki, eğer bir gün eğitimimi bırakmaya karar verirsem, artık yabancı dil eğitimi almak istemezsem, en azından bir dilde ustalaşmış olurum.
Donc ça va pas être du temps perdu.
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So it's not going to be time wasted.
Yani zaman kaybı olmayacak.
Et oui, je pense qu'après mes études, je me suis dit que si je peux devenir soit traductrice, soit prof, soit travailler dans une grande entreprise, dans le tourisme, donc je voyais vraiment beaucoup de chances, d'opportunités.
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Und ja, ich denke, nach meinem Studium habe ich mir gesagt, wenn ich entweder Übersetzerin oder Lehrerin werden kann, oder in einem großen Unternehmen arbeiten kann, in der Tourismusbranche, also habe ich wirklich viele Chancen, Möglichkeiten gesehen.
And yes, I think that after my studies, I said to myself that if I can become either a translator, or a teacher, or work in a big company, in tourism, so I really saw a lot of chances, a lot of opportunities.
Donc, j'ai décidé de d'étudier le français sans avoir vraiment décidé sur ma carrière professionnelle un peu.
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So, I decided to study French without really deciding much on my career.
Bu yüzden profesyonel kariyerime tam olarak karar vermeden Fransızca öğrenmeye karar verdim.
Hugo: OK donc, pour toi, c'était vraiment, voilà, une compétence.
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Hugo: OK so, for you, it was really more about acquiring a skill.
Hugo: Tamam, yani sizin için bu gerçekten bir beceriydi.
Et tu pensais que cette compétence pourrait te permettre de faire différents métiers après ?
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And did you think that this skill could enable you to pursue different careers afterward?
Peki bu becerinin daha sonra farklı işler yapmanızı sağlayacağını düşündünüz mü?
Anna: Oui, oui, c'était plutôt ça, exactement.
Anna: Yes, yes, that was more or less it, exactly.
Anna: Evet, aynen öyleydi.
Hugo: OK, t'avais pas le rêve de devenir prof de français ?
||senin vardı||||||||
Hugo: OK, didn't you have a dream of becoming a French teacher?
Hugo: Tamam, Fransızca öğretmeni olmayı hayal etmemiş miydin?
Anna: Non, pas encore.
Anna: No, not yet.
Non, j'étais pas sûre que…
No, I wasn't sure...
Hayır, bundan emin değildim.
Hugo: Et les cours à l'université, commencent c'était ?
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Hugo: And the courses at the university, start it was?
Hugo: Peki ya üniversite kursları, onlar nasıl başladı?
Parce que je sais que bon, quand on aime bien un sujet, une matière, après à l'université, quand on commence à en faire, je sais pas, 30, 40 heures par semaine, ça peut devenir un peu… Énervant, un peu frustrant.
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Because I know that well, when you like a subject, a subject, after at university, when you start doing some, I don't know, 30, 40 hours a week, it can get a little ... annoying, a little frustrating.
Çünkü biliyorum ki bir konuyu gerçekten sevdiğinizde, üniversiteden sonra, haftada 30, 40 saat çalışmaya başladığınızda, bu biraz... Can sıkıcı, biraz sinir bozucu olabiliyor.
Comment c'était, tes cours à l'université ?
How were your classes at the university?
Üniversitedeki dersleriniz nasıldı?
C'était un peu ça.
C'était un grand… Tu sais un grand… C'était un peu un fossé entre le lycée et les études.
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It was a big ... You know a big ... It was a bit of a gap between high school and studying.
Büyük bir... Bilirsiniz büyük... Lise ile eğitim arasında biraz boşluk vardı.
Parce que, à l'université, c'était vraiment très, très intense.
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Because, at university, it was really, really intense.
Çünkü üniversitede gerçekten çok yoğundu.
La plupart des cours était en français.
|most|||||
|Większość|||||
Most of the classes were in French.
Kursların çoğu Fransızca idi.
Mais en général, j'étais plutôt contente de tous mes cours.
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But in general, I was quite happy with all my classes.
Ama genel olarak tüm derslerimden oldukça memnundum.
Bien sûr, il y avait des cours, des matières, que je trouvais moins utiles ou moins passionnants.
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|||||||||||uważałem za|||||mniej pasjonujące
Of course, there were classes, subjects, that I found less useful or less exciting.
Elbette daha az faydalı veya heyecan verici bulduğum dersler ve konular da vardı.
Hugo: Comme quoi par exemple ?
||what||
Hugo: Like what, for example?
Anna: Par exemple, je sais pas… Je pense qu'on avait beaucoup, mais vraiment beaucoup de cours, de psychologie et de pédagogie.
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Anna: For example, I don't know... I think we had a lot, but really a lot of courses, psychology and pedagogy.
Anna: Örneğin, bilmiyorum... Sanırım çok fazla, gerçekten çok fazla dersimiz vardı, psikoloji ve pedagoji.
Il y avait des choses qui se répétaient plusieurs fois, donc peut-être qu'on pourrait le faire de manière un peu différente, de traiter ces sujets de manière un peu différente, je sais pas.
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There were things that were repeated several times, so maybe we could do it a little differently, treat these subjects a little differently, I don't know.
Birkaç kez tekrarlanan şeyler vardı, bu yüzden belki biraz daha farklı yapabilirdik, bu konuları biraz daha farklı ele alabilirdik, bilmiyorum.
Hugo: Moi, je me souviens quand je donnais des cours à des élèves justement de l'université de Varsovie qui, comme toi, prenaient des cours particuliers, avec moi… En première année, ils avaient un cours de littérature française.
||||remember|when||gave||||||||||||||took|||particular|||||||||||literature|
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Hugo: Me, I remember when I gave lessons to students from the University of Warsaw who, like you, took private lessons with me… In the first year, they had a course in French literature.
Hugo: Sizin gibi Varşova Üniversitesi'nden benimle özel ders alan öğrencilere ders verdiğim zamanları hatırlıyorum... İlk yıllarında Fransız edebiyatı dersleri vardı.
Et comme c'était dans l'ordre chronologique, ils commençaient par la littérature du Moyen Âge, donc La Chanson de Roland.
|||||chronological||began|||literature||||||Song||Roland
|||||chronologiczny||zaczynali|||||||||||Pieśń o Rolandzie
And as it was in chronological order, they started with medieval literature, i.e. La Chanson de Roland.
Ve kronolojik sırayla olduğu gibi, Orta Çağ edebiyatıyla, yani La Chanson de Roland ile başladılar.
Anna: Ah oui.
Anna||
Hugo: Et voilà, pour moi, c'était totalement absurde parce que c'était écrit en vieux français, dans vraiment une langue très difficile à comprendre, même pour les Français.
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Hugo: And there you go, for me, it was totally absurd because it was written in Old French, in a very difficult language to understand, even for French people.
Et comme c'étaient des étudiants de première année, ils avaient pas un niveau de français exceptionnel.
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And since they were first-year students, they didn't have an exceptional level of French.
Birinci sınıf öğrencileri oldukları için de çok iyi düzeyde Fransızca bilmiyorlardı.
Et ils commençaient la littérature avec des textes comme ça.
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And they were starting literature with texts like that.
Ve edebiyata bunun gibi metinlerle başladılar.
Et voilà, pour moi, ça fait vraiment partie de ces absurdités, parfois… Bon, j'adore l'université, il y a de très bons cours, etc.
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And now, for me, it's really part of this nonsense, sometimes… Well, I love the university, there are very good courses, etc.
Ve işte bu, benim için gerçekten saçmalıklardan biri, bazen... Şey, üniversiteyi seviyorum, çok iyi kurslar ve benzeri şeyler var.
Mais parfois dans la conception du curriculum, il y a vraiment des choses où on a l'impression que, voilà, ils ne prennent pas du tout en compte le côté pédagogique et c'est simplement : voilà, c'est l'ordre chronologique, on va respecter cet ordre chronologique, et c'est tout.
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Aber manchmal gibt es bei der Gestaltung des Lehrplans wirklich Dinge, bei denen man den Eindruck hat, dass, siehe da, sie die pädagogische Seite überhaupt nicht berücksichtigen und es einfach heißt: siehe da, das ist die chronologische Reihenfolge, wir werden diese chronologische Reihenfolge einhalten, und das war's.
But sometimes in the design of the curriculum, there are really things where you have the impression that, well, they don't take into account the pedagogical side at all and it's simply: here, it's the chronological order , we will respect this chronological order, and that is all.
Ancak bazen müfredatın tasarımında, pedagojik yönü hiç dikkate almadıkları izlenimini edindiğiniz şeyler oluyor ve basitçe: kronolojik sıra bu, bu kronolojik sıraya uyacağız ve hepsi bu.
Anna: Oui, tu as tout à fait raison, oui.
||||alles||||
Anna: Yes, you're absolutely right, yes.
Anna: Evet, kesinlikle haklısınız, evet.
Au début, c'était vraiment décourageant.
||||entmutigend
||||cesaret kırıcı
||||discouraging
At first, it was really discouraging.
İlk başta gerçekten cesaret kırıcıydı.
C'était vraiment décourageant.
||discouraging
It was really discouraging.
Moi aussi, j'ai commencé par La Chanson de Roland.
||||||||Roland
I too started with La Chanson de Roland.
Et… Et je pense que finalement, je l'ai lue en polonais parce que, ben, le lire en français, c'était trop.
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And... I think I finally read it in Polish because, well, reading it in French was too much.
Ve... Sanırım sonunda Lehçe okudum çünkü Fransızca okumak çok fazlaydı.
C'était un peu trop pour moi, donc je l'ai fait en polonais.
It was a bit too much for me, so I did it in Polish.
Benim için biraz fazla oldu, bu yüzden Lehçe yaptım.
Puis j'ai lu aussi la version française pour avoir le vocabulaire, pour pouvoir en parler pendant les cours.
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||||||||||||móc, aby móc|||||
Then I also read the French version to get the vocabulary, so I could talk about it in class.
Daha sonra Fransızca versiyonunu da okuyarak kelime dağarcığımı geliştirdim ve sınıfta bu konu hakkında konuşabildim.
Mais oui, c'était vraiment difficile, oui.
Ama evet, gerçekten zordu, evet.
Hugo: Oui, en plus c'est pas un texte… On le compare parfois, je sais pas, à l'Iliade, l'Odyssée, mais c'est pas aussi intéressant, à mon avis.
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||||||||||||||||İlyada|||||||||
||||||||||porównuje się|czasami|||||Iliadę, Odyseję|Odyseja||||||||
Hugo: Yes, plus it's not a text... It's sometimes compared, I don't know, to the Iliad, the Odyssey, but it's not as interesting, in my opinion.
Hugo: Evet, ayrıca bu bir metin değil... Bazen İlyada'yla, Odysseia'yla karşılaştırılıyor, bilmiyorum, ama bence o kadar ilginç değil.
Et voilà, quand on est étudiant en première année à l'université.
That's how it is when you're a first-year university student.
Üniversite birinci sınıf öğrencisi olduğunuzda böyle olur.
Bon, c'est une espèce de récit guerrier, en fait, du Moyen Âge.
||||||战争的|||||
|||||Erzählung|Kriegsbericht|||||
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|||tür||hikaye|savaşçı|||||çağ
|||rodzaj||opowieść|wojenny|||||
Well, it's a kind of warrior story, in fact, from the Middle Ages.
Aslında bu bir tür savaş hikayesi, Orta Çağ'dan kalma.
C'est pas un sujet passionnant, à mon avis.
||||exciting|||
It's not an exciting subject, in my opinion.
Anna: Oui, oui.
Anna: Yes, yes.
Il y a d'autres livres quand même, qui sont un peu plus passionnants.
||||||||||||exciting
||||||||||||bardziej pasjonujące
There are other books, though, that are a little more exciting.
Sin embargo, hay otros libros un poco más emocionantes.
Yine de biraz daha heyecan verici olan başka kitaplar da var.
Hugo: Ok, Ok.
Mais globalement, t'étais contente de tes cours à l'université.
|generally|were||||||the university
||sen (1)||||||
||byłaś||||||
But overall, you were happy with your college courses.
Ama genel olarak üniversite derslerinizden memnun kaldınız.
Anna: Oui, oui, je dois dire que, par exemple, au niveau des cours de langue, c'était assez pratique, assez intense aussi.
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Anna: Yes, yes, I have to say that, for example, in terms of language courses, it was quite practical, quite intense too.
Les profs, ils étaient vraiment… Même si la plupart de mes profs étaient des Polonais, j'avais seulement un prof qui était français, ils étaient très, très bien préparés pour ce cours, très cultivés.
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|||||||||||||||||||||||||||prepared|||||cultivated
|||byli|||||||||||||tylko|||||||||||przygotowani|||||bardzo wykształceni
The teachers, they were really... Even though most of my teachers were Polish, I only had one teacher who was French, they were very, very well prepared for this course, very cultured.
Öğretmenler, gerçekten... Öğretmenlerimin çoğu Polonyalı olmasına rağmen, sadece bir öğretmenim Fransızdı, kursa çok çok iyi hazırlanmışlardı, çok kültürlüydüler.
Et vraiment des vrais passionnés de la langue.
|||real|passionate|||
||||prawdziwi pasjonaci|||
And truly passionate about the language.
Ve dil konusunda gerçekten tutkulu.
Et ça, ça se sentait.
||||was felt
||||hissediliyordu
||||było czuć
And that, you could feel.
Et… En général, j'étais vraiment contente.
And... in general, I was really happy.
Hugo: Et… Donc parmi les autres élèves, est-ce que vous avez vraiment senti une progression entre la première et la dernière année ?
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|||wśród||||||||||odczuć|||||||||
Hugo: And... So among the other students, did you really feel a progression between the first and last year?
Hugo: Peki... Diğer öğrenciler arasında, ilk yıl ile son yıl arasında gerçekten bir ilerleme hissettiniz mi?
Est-ce que tout le monde parlait couramment à la fin des études ?
|||||||fluently|||||
|||||||akıcı bir şekilde|||||eğitimler
||||||mówił płynnie||||||
Was everyone fluent by the end of the course?
Eğitimlerinin sonunda herkes akıcı konuşabiliyor muydu?
Anna: Alors, nous, quand nous avons commencé nos études, on était divisés en trois groupes, au niveau… en fonction du niveau de langue.
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Anna: So, when we started our studies, we were divided into three groups, according to... according to language level.
Anna: Çalışmalarımıza başladığımızda, dil seviyesine göre üç gruba ayrıldık.
Donc, il y avait trois groupes.
|||||groups
||||üç|grup
So, there were three groups.
Le premier groupe, c'était le groupe des faux débutants ou des débutants débutants.
|||||||false|||||
|||||||fałszywi|||||
The first group was the group of false beginners or complete beginners.
Donc il y avait même des gens qui ont… qui ont juste… venaient, tu sais, de commencer à apprendre le français.
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||||||||||||zaczynali uczyć się||||||||
So there were even people who had just... who had just started learning French.
Yani yeni yeni Fransızca öğrenmeye başlayan insanlar bile vardı.
Donc eux, je sais qu'ils ont beaucoup progressé.
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|||||||ilerlediler
So, I know they have made a lot of progress.
Bu yüzden çok ilerleme kaydettiklerini biliyorum.
Ils ont vraiment beaucoup travaillé.
They have really worked a lot.
Gerçekten çok çalıştılar.
Moi, j'étais dans le troisième groupe, donc c'était le groupe le plus avancé.
||||||||||||fortgeschrittenen
|||||||||||en ileri|ileride
Me, I was in the third group, so it was the most advanced group.
Mais pour tout te dire, j'étais l'une des plus mauvais élèves parce qu'il y avait… Dans mon groupe, il y avait des personnes qui avaient vécu en France pendant quelques années, qui avaient fréquenté le lycée français.
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|||||||||kötü|öğrenciler|||||||||||||||yaşamış||||||||devam etmişti|||
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But to tell you the truth, I was one of the worst students because there were... In my group, there were people who'd lived in France for a few years, who'd been to the French lycée.
Ama doğruyu söylemek gerekirse, en kötü öğrencilerden biriydim çünkü... Benim grubumda birkaç yıl Fransa'da yaşamış, Fransız lisesine gitmiş insanlar vardı.
Donc, j'avais la possibilité de changer de groupe pour être dans le groupe intermédiaire.
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So I had the possibility of changing groups to be in the intermediate group.
Böylece orta grupta yer almak için grup değiştirme fırsatım oldu.
Mais je me suis dit : je préfère être, tu sais, la plus mauvaise élève du meilleur groupe.
But I said to myself: I'd rather be, you know, the worst student in the best group.
Ama kendi kendime dedim ki: En iyi gruptaki en kötü öğrenci olmayı tercih ederim.
Et comme ça, je vais… Peut-être que je vais progresser plus vite.
And this way, I'll... Maybe I'll progress faster.
Ve bu şekilde, belki daha hızlı ilerleyebilirim.
Et c'est ce que j'ai fait.
|it is||||
And that's what I did.
Ben de öyle yaptım.
Donc j'ai travaillé dur, surtout pendant les premiers mois.
||||especially||||
So I worked hard, especially during the first few months.
Bu yüzden özellikle ilk birkaç ay çok çalıştım.
Et puis, j'ai quand j'ai vu que je progressais, ça m'a motivée.
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|||||seen|||was progressing|||
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|A potem|||||||robiłam postępy|||
And then, when I saw that I was making progress, it motivated me.
Ve sonra, ilerleme kaydettiğimi gördüğümde, bu beni motive etti.
Ce n'était pas trop pour moi.
It wasn't too much for me.
Benim için çok fazla değildi.
Je me suis dit que j'allais rester dans ce groupe et que j'allais continuer comme ça.
|||||I was||in||||||||
|||||miałem zamiar|||||||miałem zamiar|||
I told myself that I was going to stay with this group and carry on like that.
Kendi kendime bu grupla kalacağımı ve böyle devam edeceğimi söyledim.
Hugo: Ok, donc tu regrettes pas ta décision ?
||||bereust|||
||||pişmanlık duymak|||
||||żałujesz|||
||||regret|||
Hugo: Okay, so you don't regret your decision?
Anna: Non, pas du tout.
Anna: No, not at all.
Anna: Hayır, hiç de değil.
Pas du tout.
Hugo: Et à l'université, qu'est-ce que tu faisais à côté des cours pour continuer d'améliorer ton français ?
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Hugo: And at university, what did you do besides classes to continue improving your French?
Hugo: Peki üniversitede Fransızcanızı geliştirmek için derslerinizin yanı sıra neler yaptınız?
Anna: Je lisais beaucoup, surtout.
||was reading||
||czytałam||
Anna: I read a lot, mostly.
Je me souviens d'une situation assez… assez amusante, à l'université.
||remember|||||amusing||
||pamiętam|||||||
I remember a quite... amusing situation at university.
Üniversitede oldukça eğlenceli bir durum hatırlıyorum.
C'était avant mon examen, j'étais assise quelque part dans le couloir et j'avais un gros ouvrage sur les articles.
|||exam||sitting||part|||hall|||||book|||
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|||||siedziałam||jakieś miejsce|w||korytarzu||||duża książka|książka|||
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It was before my exam, I was sitting somewhere in the hallway and I had a big book on articles.
Het was voor mijn examen, ik zat ergens in de gang en ik had een groot boek over de artikelen.
Sınavımdan önceydi, koridorda bir yerde oturuyordum ve elimde makalelerle ilgili büyük bir kitap vardı.
Tu sais, avec mille règles à mémoriser, mille exceptions.
|||a thousand||||thousand|exceptions
||||||||istisna
|||tysiąc|||||
You know, with a thousand rules to memorize, a thousand exceptions.
Bilirsiniz, hatırlanması gereken binlerce kural, binlerce istisna vardır.
Et mon prof, le Français avec qui j'avais les cours, il m'a vue, dans ce couloir.
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And my teacher, the French one with whom I had classes, saw me in that hallway.
Ders aldığım Fransız öğretmenim beni koridorda gördü.
Il s'est approché.
||approached
||Zbliżył się.
He approached.
Et il m'a dit de manière, mais très, très discrète : « Mademoiselle, mais laissez ce livre parce que ça sert à rien d'apprendre toutes ces règles par cœur.
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And he told me discreetly, but very, very discreetly: 'Miss, just leave this book because there's no point in memorizing all these rules.'
En hij zei heel discreet tegen me: "Juffrouw, laat dat boek met rust, want het heeft geen zin om al die regels uit je hoofd te leren.
Ve bana çok, çok ihtiyatlı bir şekilde şöyle dedi: "Bayan, o kitabı rahat bırakın çünkü tüm bu kuralları ezberlemenin bir anlamı yok.
Laissez ce livre et allez lire des articles, des livres, plutôt que… qu'essayer d'apprendre tout ça par coeur.
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Leave this book and go read articles, books, rather than... trying to memorize all this.
Laat dit boek liggen en ga artikelen en boeken lezen in plaats van... te proberen alles uit je hoofd te leren.
Bu kitabı bırakın ve her şeyi ezbere öğrenmeye çalışmak yerine gidip makaleler ve kitaplar okuyun.
» Et j'ai suivi son conseil.
||I posłuchałem jego rady.||
' And I followed his advice.
J'ai fait comme ça.
I did it that way.
Donc j'ai commencé à lire beaucoup et c'est comme ça que… voilà, que j'ai appris à utiliser les articles, à utiliser les temps.
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So I started to read a lot and that's how... well, that's how I learned to use articles, to use tenses.
Bu yüzden çok okumaya başladım ve bu şekilde... bu şekilde artikelleri ve zamanları kullanmayı öğrendim.
Parce que quand je lisais, je lisais de manière réfléchie.
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Because when I read, I read thoughtfully.
Çünkü okuduğumda, düşünerek okurum.
Donc à chaque fois, je me posais la question : pourquoi ici, c'est le passé composé, non pas l'imparfait, etc.
||each||||asked||||||||composed|no||the imperfect|
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So each time, I asked myself the question: why is it that here, it's the passé composé, not the imparfait, etc.?
Bu yüzden her seferinde kendime neden burada imparfait değil de passé composé olduğunu sorardım.
Donc c'était ça, un peu, ma méthode pour progresser, pour travailler encore plus.
So that was my method for making progress and working even harder.
Bu benim ilerleme kaydetmek ve daha da sıkı çalışmak için kullandığım bir yöntemdi.
Hugo: Et quel type de livres tu aimais lire, ou quel auteur en particulier?
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Hugo: And what kind of books did you like to read, or which author in particular?
Anna: Tout au début de mes études, je pense que j'ai commencé par les livres que je connaissais déjà… Et c'était même parfois des contes de fées pour les enfants.
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Anna: Right at the beginning of my studies, I think I started with the books I already knew... And sometimes they were even fairy tales for children.
Anna: Helemaal aan het begin van mijn studie begon ik denk ik met de boeken die ik al kende... En soms waren dat zelfs sprookjes voor kinderen.
Anna: Çalışmalarımın en başında, sanırım zaten bildiğim kitaplarla başladım... Ve bazen bunlar çocuklar için masallardı.
Parce que c'était des textes qui étaient plus courts.
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Because they were shorter texts.
Çünkü metinler daha kısaydı.
C'était les textes que je connaissais déjà.
They were the texts I already knew.
Bunlar zaten bildiğim metinlerdi.
Donc je connaissais déjà le contexte.
So I already knew the context.
Yani bağlamı zaten biliyordum.
Et pour moi, c'était beaucoup plus facile de comprendre toute l'histoire, de comprendre les adjectifs qui étaient utilisés pour décrire les personnages, par exemple.
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And for me, it was much easier to understand the whole story, to understand the adjectives that were used to describe the characters, for example.
Ve benim için tüm hikayeyi anlamak, örneğin karakterleri tanımlamak için kullanılan sıfatları anlamak çok daha kolaydı.
Et puis, petit à petit, je… voilà j'ai commencé à lire la littérature française.
|A potem||||||||||||
And then, little by little, I... there, I started reading French literature.
Sonra yavaş yavaş Fransız edebiyatı okumaya başladım.
Et surtout, je suis tombée amoureuse des auteurs maghrébins.
|||||||Autoren|maghrebinische Autoren
||I||||||Maghrebi
|||||||yazarlar|Magripli
||||zakochałam się|||autorów maghrebskich|maghrebskich autorów
And above all, I fell in love with Maghreb authors.
Her şeyden önce Kuzey Afrikalı yazarlara aşık oldum.
De la littérature maghrébine, d'expression française, bien sûr.
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|||Maghrebian||||
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Of Maghrebian literature, in French, of course.
Elbette Mağrip'ten Fransızca edebiyat.
Et l'un de mes auteurs préférés, jusqu'à… jusqu'aujourd'hui, c'est Tahar Ben Jelloun, que je recommande chaudement.
|||||||||||||||wärmstens
|||||favorite||until today||Tahar||Jelloun|that|||warmly
|||||||bugüne kadar||Tahar||||||şiddetle
||||||do dzisiaj|do dziś||Tahar Ben Jelloun|Bena|Ben Jelloun||||gorąco polecam
And one of my favorite authors, until... until today, is Tahar Ben Jelloun, whom I highly recommend.
Bugüne kadar en sevdiğim yazarlardan biri de Tahar Ben Jelloun'dur ve kendisini içtenlikle tavsiye ederim.
Ses livres sont vraiment très, très beaux.
Her books are really, really beautiful.
Hugo: De quoi il parle en général ?
Hugo: What does he talk about in general?
Hugo: Genel olarak ne hakkında konuşuyor?
Quels sont ses sujets de prédilection ?
|||||preference
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|||||tercih ettiği konular
|||||偏好主题
|||||temas favoritos
|||||ulubione tematy
What are his favourite subjects?
En sevdiği konular nelerdir?
Anna: Dans ses livres, il parle beaucoup de l'identité, par exemple, de notre identité.
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Anna: In his books, he talks a lot about identity, for example, our identity.
Anna: Kitaplarında kimlik hakkında çok konuşuyor, örneğin bizim kimliğimiz.
Il parle un peu du racisme, du bonheur.
他|||||||
|||||racism||happiness
|||||rasizm||
He talks a little about racism and happiness.
Biraz ırkçılık ve mutluluk hakkında konuşuyor.
Donc… Des thèmes un peu philosophiques, on peut dire, mais, il écrit de manière très claire.
|einige||||||||||||Art Weise||
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So... Themes that are a bit philosophical, you might say, but he writes very clearly.
Yani... Biraz felsefi temalar diyebilirsiniz ama çok açık bir şekilde yazıyor.
Pour moi, ça a été assez facile de comprendre.
It was easy enough for me to understand.
Anlamak benim için yeterince kolaydı.
Et je trouve que c'est une très belle littérature.
||uważam||||||
And I think it's beautiful literature.
Ve bence bu güzel bir edebiyat.
Hugo: OK.
Et tu te souviens de comment tu as découvert cet auteur ?
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|||pamiętasz|||||||
And do you remember how you discovered this author?
Peki bu yazarı nasıl keşfettiğinizi hatırlıyor musunuz?
Est-ce que c'est un de tes profs qui te l'a recommandé ou… ?
Was it one of your teachers who recommended it to you or...?
Öğretmenlerinizden biri mi tavsiye etti yoksa...?
Parce que c'est pas… Souvent voilà, les profs de français, à l'université, ils recommandent plutôt des auteurs français, j'imagine.
||||Często||||||||||||autorów francuskich||
Because it's not... Often, you know, French professors at university usually recommend French authors, I suppose.
Çünkü değil... Üniversitedeki Fransızca öğretmenleri genellikle Fransız yazarları öneriyordur sanırım.
Et c'est un peu plus exotique.
|||||exotic
|||||I trochę bardziej egzotyczne.
And it's a bit more exotic.
Anna: Oui, oui, c'est pas très évident comme choix de littérature.
||||||eindeutig||||
||||||açık||seçim||
||||||||wybór literatury||
||||||obvious||||
Anna: Yes, it's not an obvious choice of literature.
Anna: Evet, evet, çok bariz bir edebiyat seçimi değil.
Mais justement, c'était l'une de mes profs qui était passionnée.
|||eine||||||
|precisely||||||||passionate
|||jedna z||||||zafascynowana
But precisely, it was one of my teachers who was passionate.
Ama bu konuda tutkulu olan öğretmenlerimden biriydi.
Comme… Quand j'ai vu sa passion pour cette littérature, je me suis dit : «il faut que je parte à la découverte., il faut que je vois pourquoi elle est tellement passionnée !» Et je la comprends maintenant.
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As... When I saw her passion for this literature, I thought: 'I must go and discover it, I must see why she is so passionate!' And now I understand her.
Mesela... Onun bu edebiyata olan tutkusunu gördüğümde kendi kendime dedim ki: "Öğrenmeliyim, neden bu kadar tutkulu olduğunu görmeliyim! Ve şimdi onu anlıyorum.
Hugo: Donc elle t'a transmis sa passion.
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||||transmitted||
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Hugo: So she passed on her passion to you.
Hugo: Yani tutkusunu size aktardı.
Anna: Elle m'a transmis sa passion, oui.
Anna: She passed on her passion to me, yes.
Anna: Tutkusunu bana da aktardı, evet.
Hugo: OK.
Donc, tu lisais beaucoup.
So you read a lot.
C'était vraiment ça, ton arme secrète ?
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||||weapon|secret
||||broń|tajna broń
Was that really your secret weapon?
Bu gerçekten senin gizli silahın mıydı?
Anna: C'était ça oui, mon arme secrète.
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Anna: That was it, yes, my secret weapon.
Anna: Evet, bu benim gizli silahımdı.
Surtout que je pouvais lire, tu sais, dans le tram, dans le bus, un peu partout.
|||could|||||the|tram||||||everywhere
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Especially since I could read, you know, on the tram, on the bus, a bit everywhere.
Özellikle de tramvayda, otobüste, hemen hemen her yerde okuyabildiğim için.
C'étaient des livres, mais c'étaient aussi des articles sur Internet.
They were books, but they were also articles on the Internet.
Bunlar kitaptı ama aynı zamanda internetteki makalelerdi.
Donc je lisais un peu partout, un peu de tout.
|我|||||一个|||
|||||everywhere||||
So I was reading everywhere, a bit of everything.
Bu yüzden her yerde, her şeyden biraz okuyorum.
Hugo: Et c'était facile d'acheter des livres français en Pologne ?
Hugo: And was it easy to buy French books in Poland?
Hugo: Peki Polonya'da Fransızca kitap satın almak kolay mıydı?
Anna: Alors heureusement, à Cracovie, il y a cette librairie qui s'appelle Edukator, où on peut commander des livres français sans aucun problème.
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||||||||||||Edukator||||zamawiać|||||żaden|
Anna: Fortunately, in Krakow, there's this bookshop called Edukator, where you can order French books without any problem.
Et les gens qui travaillent dans cette librairie sont vraiment très sympas.
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And the people who work in this bookshop are really very nice.
Donc, plusieurs fois ils m'ont aussi recommandé des livres que je pourrais lire.
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So several times they also recommended books I could read.
Donc oui, donc, je profitais de cette librairie pour acheter mes livres.
||||was taking advantage (with 'je')|||bookstore|||my|
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So yes, so I took advantage of this bookstore to buy my books.
Hugo: OK.
Et… Parce que parfois, justement, au niveau des conseils de lecture, moi, j'ai un peu du mal à recommander certains livres parce qu'il y a beaucoup de descriptions avec beaucoup de vocabulaire.
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And... Because sometimes, when it comes to reading advice, I have a bit of trouble recommending certain books because there's a lot of description and a lot of vocabulary.
Ve... Çünkü bazen, okuma tavsiyesi söz konusu olduğunda, bazı kitapları tavsiye etmekte biraz zorlanıyorum çünkü çok fazla betimleme ve çok fazla kelime bilgisi var.
Et ça peut être un peu décourageant parce que c'est pas forcément des mots qui sont très utiles au quotidien.
|||||||||||mutlaka||||||||günlük
And that can be a bit discouraging, because it's not necessarily words that are very useful on a day-to-day basis.
Et c'est un peu difficile de trouver le juste milieu entre une histoire intéressante, avec du vocabulaire quand même utile, et un peu limité, mais en même temps, voilà, des auteurs contemporains, etc.
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And it's a little difficult to find the happy medium between an interesting story, with useful vocabulary, and a little limited, but at the same time, here you go, contemporary authors, etc.
そして、面白いストーリーで、まだ使えるボキャブラリーがあって、ちょっと限定的で、でも同時に、そこに現代の作家などがいる、というバランスを見つけるのがちょっと難しい。
Ve ilginç bir hikaye ile hala işe yarar bir kelime dağarcığı arasında doğru dengeyi bulmak biraz zor ve biraz sınırlı, ama aynı zamanda, işte, çağdaş yazarlar vb.
Anna: Oui, je pense que oui, plutôt les auteurs contemporains.
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Anna: Yes, I think so, more contemporary authors.
アンナ:ええ、そう思います。
Et aussi pour commencer, pourquoi pas lire, voilà, des contes de fées, des textes qui sont plus courts.
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And also to start, why not read, well, fairy tales, texts that are shorter.
手始めに、童話や短い文章を読んでみてはどうだろう。
Ve başlangıç olarak, neden biraz peri masalı, biraz daha kısa metinler okumuyorsunuz?
C'est toujours de la littérature, ça reste de la littérature.
It's still literature, it's still literature.
Yine de edebiyat, yine de edebiyat.
Mais c'est plus simple.
But it's simpler.
C'est un peu plus facile.
It's a little easier.
Même si parfois, on peut même trouver le passé simple, dans ces contes de fées.
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Although sometimes we can even find the simple past in these fairy tales.
Mais… Mais oui, c'est comme ça qu'on prend aussi l'habitude de, voilà, de voir différents temps, même le passé simple.
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But… But yes, that's how we also get used to, that's it, seeing different tenses, even the simple past.
Ama... Ama evet, farklı zaman kiplerini, hatta geçmiş zamanı bile görmeye böyle alışıyorsunuz.
Hugo: C'est vrai, effectivement, qui est très utile, le passé simple.
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|||indeed|||||the||
Hugo: That's true, indeed, which is very useful, the simple past.
Et qui est en voie de disparition
|谁|||途径||
||||Weg||Verschwinden
|which|||way|of|disappearance
||||yolda||yok olma
||||camino||en peligro de extinción
And which is endangered
Nesli tükenmekte olan bir tür
Anna: Il faut le préserver.
||必须||
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||||korumak
||||zachować
Anna: It needs to be preserved.
Hugo: Il faut le préserver, exactement.
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Hugo: It needs to be preserved, exactly.