#251 Mark & Steve – Forest Fires, Part 2 #251 Mark & Steve - Waldbrände, Teil 2 #251 Mark & Steve - Incendios forestales, Parte 2 #251 Mark & Steve - Feux de forêt, partie 2 #251 Mark e Steve - Incendi boschivi, parte 2 #251 マーク＆スティーブ - 森林火災 その2 #251 Mark & Steve - Pożary lasów, część 2 #251 Mark & Steve - Incêndios florestais, Parte 2 #251 Марк и Стив - Лесные пожары, часть 2 #251 Mark & Steve - Orman Yangınları, Bölüm 2 #251 Марк і Стів - Лісові пожежі, частина 2 #251 马克和史蒂夫 - 森林火灾，第 2 部分

Steve:       Of course with our sawmill in northern Alberta, every year we are a little bit, you know, apprehensive. We have a bomber station; not ours, but the provincial, you know, forestry has a bomber station right near by and they're constantly on the lookout. We hebben een bommenwerperstation; niet de onze, maar de provinciale bosbouw heeft een bommenwerperstation vlakbij en ze zijn constant op de uitkijk. I've driven up there in the summer and you see, off in the distance, these bits of smoke because there's lightening strikes and other things. Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So there's always a little bit of forest fire action and then the bombers. These are these water bombers; they'll take off and try to put out the fire. Mark:    Right.

Steve:    And so far so good. We haven't lost significant amounts of timber. Mark:    No.

Steve:    But a lot of the timber that we are logging is all…like in one area it will be all 120 years old and in another area it's all 80 years old. Mark:    Right.

Steve:    Because that's when the last huge forest fire moved through there. And nobody lives up there.

Mark:    No.

Steve:    So…  I mean now there are farmers and that, but 100 years ago there was no one there.

Mark:    I mean, yeah, there are always fires. I remember when we went camping up in Salmon Arm…

Steve:    Oh, yeah.

Mark:    …like, I don't know, 20 years ago now, whenever it was. Steve:    More than 20 ah? Twenty-five years ago.

Mark:    And we were camping at a camp site…

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    …and it was just scorching hot.

Steve:    Forty degrees.

Mark:    Forty degrees or whatever it was.

Steve:    Yeah.

Mark:    I don't remember what kind of trees they were… Steve:    Yeah.

Mark:    …but they were wilting in the heat.

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    They wilted and they leaned over so much.

Steve:    They were some kind of aspen.

Mark:    Some kind of aspen…

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    …or leafy tree and it leaned over so much that it came into contact with the power lines.

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    And then, eventually, it started to sizzle…

Steve:    It started a fire.

Mark:    …and started a fire. I mean it was a small town, wherever we were, and the local volunteer fire department showed up. It was pretty funny. There was one guy in his ranching attire, you know, in his chaps came right off the ranch and other guys from town came out. The volunteer fire department came out to put out the fire.

Steve:    Yeah.

I mean the fact is that we are always living at the mercy of nature and fire is just a perfectly natural phenomenon, so is wind, so is earthquake, so is heavy rain storms.

Mark:    Hey, I read in the news the other day that near you a house almost got burned. A guy was burning a stump in his backyard and started a fire and the fire department had to come put it out.

Steve:    Well mom wasn't home or she would have stopped it. Mark:    I mean he would have wiped out your whole area.

Steve:    Well they're a little further up. Mark:    Oh, okay.

Steve:    It wouldn't have come down to where we are. But, yeah, the road was blocked off and there were fire trucks there.

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    So…

Mark:    And a house in Dundarave burnt down a week ago.

Steve:    But that had nothing to do with the forest. Steve: Pero eso no tenía nada que ver con el bosque.

Mark:    No, it didn't have anything to do with forest, but we're on the fire theme. Mark: No, no tenía nada que ver con el bosque, pero estamos con el tema del fuego. Steve:    Right, yeah, yeah. Claro, sí, sí. No, there are fewer fires than before because people build differently. No, hay menos incendios que antes porque la gente construye de otra manera.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    I mean all of the codes governing, you know, electrical installations and then, of course, the use of gypsum board and all of this and so now…  You know I golfed with a fireman and he said most of the time they're called out because someone had a heart attack or something. Steve: Me refiero a todos los códigos que rigen, ya sabes, las instalaciones eléctricas y luego, por supuesto, el uso de placas de yeso y todo esto y así ahora... Sabes que jugué al golf con un bombero y me dijo que la mayoría de las veces los llaman porque alguien ha tenido un ataque al corazón o algo así. Стив: Я имею в виду все правила, регулирующие, знаете ли, электрические установки, а затем, конечно, использование гипсокартона и все это, и так далее… Вы знаете, я играл в гольф с пожарным, и он сказал, что большую часть времени они повторно вызвали, потому что у кого-то был сердечный приступ или что-то в этом роде. Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So that they are also this sort of emergency response thing.

Mark:    Although apparently this house in Dundarave, which is three doors down from a friend of ours… Mark: Aunque aparentemente esta casa en Dundarave, que está a tres puertas de un amigo nuestro...

Steve:    Yeah?

Mark:    …so the fire department, apparently, was not there very quickly. Mark: ...así que los bomberos, aparentemente, no llegaron muy rápido. And you know if that's at 23rd, the fire station is at 16th, that's seven blocks that the fire truck had to go. Y usted sabe que si eso es en el 23, la estación de bomberos está en el 16, que son siete cuadras que el camión de bomberos tuvo que ir. They should be there in 30 seconds. Deberían estar ahí en 30 segundos.

Steve:    Yes. Sí.

Mark:    And, apparently, it was more like 10 minutes. Mark: Y, aparentemente, fueron más bien 10 minutos.

Steve:    And the reason was?

Mark:    They haven't heard why. Mark: No se han enterado de por qué. Steve:    Right.

Mark:    And maybe the timing is not exact, but their… Mark: Y puede que el momento no sea exacto, pero su...

Steve:    It took them longer than it should. Les llevó más tiempo del que debería.

Mark:    …feeling was that it took a lot longer than it should have and that led to things being as bad as they were. Mark: ...la sensación fue que se tardó mucho más de lo debido y eso hizo que las cosas fueran tan mal como fueron. But they were quite worried because being three doors down and it's been so hot. Pero estaban bastante preocupados porque al estar tres puertas más abajo ha hecho mucho calor. So I guess they were up on the roof hosing down the shingles. Supongo que estaban en el tejado limpiando las tejas. Dus ik denk dat ze op het dak de dakspanen aan het afspuiten waren.

Steve:    Oh yeah.

Mark:    Because the wood shingles are dry and a lot of the roofs here are made out of wood shingles. Mark: Porque las tejas de madera están secas y muchos de los tejados de aquí son de tejas de madera.

Steve:    Well, that's true. Mark:    So the embers, if they land on your roof, I mean I think that's the one worry. Mark: Así que las brasas, si aterrizan en su techo, quiero decir, creo que esa es la única preocupación. Steve:    Yeah.

Well, that's true. I mean I know from a friend who's always fighting the municipal government to get them to reduce taxes because they have so many useless bureaucrats there… Quiero decir que sé de un amigo que siempre está luchando contra el gobierno municipal para que reduzcan los impuestos porque tienen tantos burócratas inútiles allí.... Mark:    Right.

Steve:    You know they really do. I mean earning obscene salaries, you know, five different levels of administration and supervision and one thing and another. Ik bedoel het verdienen van obscene salarissen, je weet wel, vijf verschillende niveaus van bestuur en toezicht en een en ander. And, of course, one of the untouchable areas is the fire department.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    Even though they have like, probably, three times as many fire chiefs and other senior people as they need…

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    …that people say I don't want to pay any more taxes. Okay, we're going to cut the fire department. Bien, vamos a cortar el departamento de bomberos. No, no, no, you can't touch the fire department, so they're a bit of a sacred cow. No, no, no, no se puede tocar a los bomberos, así que son un poco vaca sagrada. Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    But, yeah, they should respond or people get mad at them. Steve: Pero, sí, deberían responder o la gente se enfadará con ellos.

Mark:    Well, yeah. I mean, as you say…

Steve:    They've got nothing to do. Mark:    They've got nothing to do. Mark: No tienen nada que hacer. I mean unless maybe they were called away to an accident… Quiero decir, a menos que tal vez fueron llamados a un accidente ...

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    …and then didn't come back. Mark: ...y luego no volvió. Steve:    But then there's more than one fire station, they should be able to get there. Steve: Pero entonces hay más de una estación de bomberos, deben ser capaces de llegar allí. Mark:    Yeah, that's right, that's right. Although, I mean from the next fire station it's going to be a lot longer to get there, you know. Aunque, quiero decir, desde la próxima estación de bomberos va a ser mucho más tiempo para llegar allí, ya sabes. Steve:    Well, that's true. Mark:    Yeah, it could take 10 minutes. They're not all that close together. Steve:    I mean still, though, we're very lucky to have the possibility within these communities to have these kinds of, you know, community response, you know, teams or, you know. Mark:    For sure.

Steve:    For sure. I mean otherwise we're back to your group in the interior with a volunteer fire department… Mark:    Right.

Steve:    …pulling people away from their jobs and they show up with buckets of water or whatever they've got. Steve: ...sacando a la gente de sus trabajos y aparecen con cubos de agua o lo que sea que tengan. Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    No, I'm sure they had a fire truck. Mark:    They had a fire truck, but…  I mean, in a way, it does make sense, too. Mark: Tenían un camión de bomberos, pero... Quiero decir, en cierto modo, también tiene sentido.

Steve:    Sure.

Mark:    Because what happens here is they sit around all day doing nothing being paid. Mark: Porque lo que pasa aquí es que se pasan el día sentados sin hacer nada cobrando.

Steve:    I know.

Mark:    The volunteer fire department…

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    Buy a nice truck and have enough people so that you have enough…there's always people that can respond. Steve:    Well, you know that's a subject that we can talk about another time, but we're so used to the government doing stuff for us. Steve: Bueno, ya sabes que ese es un tema del que podemos hablar en otro momento, pero estamos tan acostumbrados a que el gobierno haga cosas por nosotros. Mark:    Right.

Steve:    We just pay taxes…

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    …so we can lead an unhealthy life. Steve: ...para que podamos llevar una vida poco saludable.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    You know we don't have to worry about educating ourselves. Steve: Sabes que no tenemos que preocuparnos por educarnos. Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    Everything will be done for us. Well maybe we should get back to people doing more…

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    …as you say, volunteer fire department. Maybe on our health program if you are a smoker or a drinker or whatever, you lead an unhealthy lifestyle, you pay more for your health insurance.

Mark:    That's right, yeah. I mean that should be the case.

Steve:    It should be, really.

Mark:    It should be the case. Anyway, I think we've kind of covered the forest fire topic and it's probably a good place to wrap it up for today. En fin, creo que ya hemos tratado el tema de los incendios forestales y probablemente sea un buen momento para terminar por hoy. Steve:    We got in a few other kicks too. Steve: Nos metimos en algunas otras patadas también.

Mark:    For sure.

Anyway, thanks to Maryann for suggesting that topic and we're always open for… Steve:    One thing, by the way, I should say is we are going to try to bring in some more voices.

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    There was a comment that the two of us sound more or less the same. Steve: Se ha comentado que los dos sonamos más o menos igual. People had asked for Jill. La gente había preguntado por Jill. She's busy looking after her child, but we think Kate can be an excellent person, so we're going to talk to her about some of her experiences. Está ocupada cuidando de su hijo, pero creemos que Kate puede ser una persona excelente, así que vamos a hablar con ella sobre algunas de sus experiencias. Mark:    And maybe other people, if we find other suitable people.

Steve:    And so we do respond to your suggestions.

Mark:    Okay. Anyway, keep them coming. Talk to you soon.

Steve:    Thank you.

Mark:    Bye-bye.

Steve:    Bye.