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Commission Asks High-Ranking Vatican Official About Sex Abuse Of Children

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

In all the years the Catholic Church has faced accusations of condoning sex abuse, this has never quite happened. A top official at the Vatican admitted that the church itself made enormous mistakes. He's a prominent cardinal. His name is George Pell. He's Australian, and he has been answering questions under oath from an Australian commission investigating sexual abuse of children. Joshua McElwee is covering this story. He's the Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter. Joshua, welcome back to program.

JOSHUA MCELWEE: Yeah, thanks for having me.

INSKEEP: How much farther has this cardinal gone than the church has in the past?

MCELWEE: Well, it really was an extraordinary event. Over four nights here in Rome, Cardinal George Pell, who is the number three official at the Vatican, has been giving testimony to an Australian commission about his actions in the 1970s, '80s and '90s, about how the Australian church responded to claims of sexual abuse, and how he himself responded and was really put on the spot. INSKEEP: Talk me over this video link with Australia, right, which is why the unusual time.

MCELWEE: Exactly.

INSKEEP: And so how distinct were these statements?

MCELWEE: Well, they were really trying to get information from the cardinal about his own response to abuses when he was serving as a key advisor to a bishop in a rural section of southeastern Australia, and then as himself, becoming auxiliary bishop and a bishop. And they put him on the spot about several different priest abusers and why he hadn't done more to report them to authorities. INSKEEP: And he said he had not gone far enough, I assume.

MCELWEE: The most extraordinary moment came in the last night of the testimony when he admit that a schoolchild had come to him in 1974 to say that one of the teachers at a school was misbehaving with boys. And the cardinal said that he had not reported that to authorities. He told the school chaplain about it and then had assumed that they would take care of the issue, and they obviously didn't. INSKEEP: Where does this leave Pope Francis, who has been closely advised by this man?

MCELWEE: Exactly.

Cardinal Pell is the head of the new secretariat for the economy. He's been a key advisor to the Pope, helping the Pope kind of revive or reform the Vatican bureaucracy. And so now going forward, a lot of people are wondering if Cardinal Pell will continue in his position. He turned 75 in June, which is the normal age at which bishops retire. And it may be a situation where the cardinal is not really asked to stay on, and they just retire him when he turns 75.

INSKEEP: Does the cardinal face potential legal action in Australia, having admitted under oath that he failed to report sex abuse?

MCELWEE: Well, for cardinal - what the cardinal said was it was a child telling him a teacher was misbehaving with boys. So it wasn't clear to him, at least in his testimony, that it was sexual abuse. The commission doesn't have prosecutorial power, but it can recommend to local prosecutors basically findings of fact. And so now we would wait in the next few months to see what the commission does and if there might be any such communication between the commission and local prosecutors.

INSKEEP: Joshua McElwee of the National Catholic Reporter. Thanks very much.

MCELWEE: Thank you for having me.

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Commission Asks High-Ranking Vatican Official About Sex Abuse Of Children Comisión|pregunta|||Vaticano|oficial|sobre|abuso|abuso|de|niños La Comisión Pregunta a Alto Funcionario del Vaticano Sobre el Abuso Sexual de Niños

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: STEVE|INSKEEP|anfitrión STEVE INSKEEP, ANFITRIÓN:

In all the years the Catholic Church has faced accusations of condoning sex abuse, this has never quite happened. en|todos|los|años|la|Católica|Iglesia|ha|enfrentado|acusaciones|de|condonar|abuso|abuso|esto|ha|nunca|bastante|sucedido En todos los años que la Iglesia Católica ha enfrentado acusaciones de tolerar el abuso sexual, esto nunca había sucedido. A top official at the Vatican admitted that the church itself made enormous mistakes. un|alto|oficial|en|el|Vaticano|admitió|que|la|iglesia|misma|cometió|enormes|errores Un alto funcionario del Vaticano admitió que la propia iglesia cometió enormes errores. He's a prominent cardinal. él|un|prominente|cardenal Es un cardenal prominente. His name is George Pell. su|nombre|es|George|Pell Su nombre es George Pell. He's Australian, and he has been answering questions under oath from an Australian commission investigating sexual abuse of children. él es|australiano|y|él|ha|estado|respondiendo|preguntas|bajo|juramento|de|una|australiana|comisión|investigando|sexual|abuso|de|niños Es australiano y ha estado respondiendo preguntas bajo juramento de una comisión australiana que investiga el abuso sexual de niños. Joshua McElwee is covering this story. Joshua|McElwee|está|cubriendo|esta|historia Joshua McElwee está cubriendo esta historia. He's the Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter. él|el|Vaticano|corresponsal|para|el|Nacional|Católico|Reporter Él es el corresponsal del Vaticano para el National Catholic Reporter. Joshua, welcome back to program. Joshua|bienvenido|de regreso|al|programa Joshua, bienvenido de nuevo al programa.

JOSHUA MCELWEE: Yeah, thanks for having me. JOSHUA|MCELWEE|sí|gracias|por|tener|me JOSHUA MCELWEE: Sí, gracias por tenerme.

INSKEEP: How much farther has this cardinal gone than the church has in the past? INSKEEP|cuán|mucho|más lejos|ha|este|cardenal|ido|que|la|iglesia|ha|en|el|pasado INSKEEP: ¿Qué tan lejos ha llegado este cardenal en comparación con la iglesia en el pasado?

MCELWEE: Well, it really was an extraordinary event. tú|bueno|eso|realmente|fue|un|extraordinario|evento MCELWEE: Bueno, realmente fue un evento extraordinario. Over four nights here in Rome, Cardinal George Pell, who is the number three official at the Vatican, has been giving testimony to an Australian commission about his actions in the 1970s, '80s and '90s, about how the Australian church responded to claims of sexual abuse, and how he himself responded and was really put on the spot. durante|cuatro|noches|aquí|en|Roma|cardenal|George|Pell|quien|es|el|número|tres|oficial|en|el|Vaticano|ha|estado|dando|testimonio|a|una|australiana|comisión|sobre|sus|acciones|en|los|1970|80|y|90|sobre|cómo|la|australiana|iglesia|respondió|a|reclamos|de|abuso|abuso|y|cómo|él|mismo|respondió|y|fue|realmente|puesto|en|el|punto Durante cuatro noches aquí en Roma, el Cardenal George Pell, quien es el tercer funcionario en el Vaticano, ha estado testificando ante una comisión australiana sobre sus acciones en los años 70, 80 y 90, sobre cómo la iglesia australiana respondió a las denuncias de abuso sexual, y cómo él mismo respondió y realmente fue puesto en una situación difícil. INSKEEP: Talk me over this video link with Australia, right, which is why the unusual time. Inskeep|habla|me|sobre|este|video|enlace|con|Australia|correcto|lo cual|es|por qué|el|inusual|tiempo INSKEEP: Háblame a través de este enlace de video con Australia, ¿verdad?, que es por eso el horario inusual.

MCELWEE: Exactly. McElwee|exactamente MCELWEE: Exactamente.

INSKEEP: And so how distinct were these statements? tú||||||| INSKEEP: ¿Y cuán distintas eran estas declaraciones?

MCELWEE: Well, they were really trying to get information from the cardinal about his own response to abuses when he was serving as a key advisor to a bishop in a rural section of southeastern Australia, and then as himself, becoming auxiliary bishop and a bishop. él|bueno|ellos|estaban|realmente|tratando|de|obtener|información|de|el|cardenal|sobre|su|propia|respuesta|a|abusos|cuando|él|estaba|sirviendo|como|un|clave|asesor|a|un|obispo|en|una|rural|sección|de|sureste|Australia|y|luego|como|él mismo|convirtiéndose|auxiliar|obispo|y|un|obispo MCELWEE: Bueno, realmente estaban tratando de obtener información del cardenal sobre su propia respuesta a los abusos cuando él estaba sirviendo como un asesor clave de un obispo en una sección rural del sureste de Australia, y luego, como él mismo, convirtiéndose en obispo auxiliar y obispo. And they put him on the spot about several different priest abusers and why he hadn't done more to report them to authorities. y|ellos|pusieron|él|en|el|aprieto|sobre|varios|diferentes|sacerdote|abusadores|y|por qué|él|no había|hecho|más|para|reportar|ellos|a|autoridades Y lo pusieron en una situación difícil sobre varios sacerdotes abusadores y por qué no había hecho más para denunciarlos a las autoridades. INSKEEP: And he said he had not gone far enough, I assume. tú|y|él|dijo|él|había|no|ido|lejos|lo suficiente|yo|asumo INSKEEP: Y él dijo que no había ido lo suficientemente lejos, supongo.

MCELWEE: The most extraordinary moment came in the last night of the testimony when he admit that a schoolchild had come to him in 1974 to say that one of the teachers at a school was misbehaving with boys. MCELWEE|el|más|extraordinario|momento|llegó|en|la|última|noche|de|el|testimonio|cuando|él|admitió|que|un|niño|había|venido|a|él|en|a|decir|que|uno|de|los|maestros|en|una|escuela|estaba|comportándose mal|con|niños MCELWEE: El momento más extraordinario llegó en la última noche del testimonio cuando admitió que un escolar se había acercado a él en 1974 para decirle que uno de los maestros de una escuela se estaba comportando mal con los niños. And the cardinal said that he had not reported that to authorities. y|el|cardenal|dijo|que|él|había|no|reportado|eso|a|autoridades Y el cardenal dijo que no había informado eso a las autoridades. He told the school chaplain about it and then had assumed that they would take care of the issue, and they obviously didn't. él|dijo|el|escuela|capellán|sobre|eso|y|entonces|había|asumido|que|ellos|verbo auxiliar condicional|tomarían|cuidado|de|el|asunto|y|ellos|obviamente|no lo hicieron Le contó al capellán de la escuela sobre ello y luego asumió que ellos se encargarían del asunto, y obviamente no lo hicieron. INSKEEP: Where does this leave Pope Francis, who has been closely advised by this man? INSKEEP|dónde|hace|esto|deja|Papa|Francisco|quien|ha|sido|estrechamente|aconsejado|por|este|hombre INSKEEP: ¿Dónde deja esto al Papa Francisco, quien ha sido asesorado de cerca por este hombre?

MCELWEE: Exactly. MCELWEE|Exactamente MCELWEE: Exactamente.

Cardinal Pell is the head of the new secretariat for the economy. Cardenal|Pell|es|el|jefe|de|la|nueva|secretaría|para|la|economía El Cardenal Pell es el jefe de la nueva secretaría para la economía. He's been a key advisor to the Pope, helping the Pope kind of revive or reform the Vatican bureaucracy. él ha|sido|un|clave|asesor|a|el|Papa|ayudando|al|Papa|tipo|de|revivir|o|reformar|la|Vaticana|burocracia Ha sido un asesor clave del Papa, ayudando al Papa a revivir o reformar la burocracia del Vaticano. And so now going forward, a lot of people are wondering if Cardinal Pell will continue in his position. y|así|ahora|avanzando|adelante|un|mucho|de|personas|están|preguntando|si|Cardenal|Pell|verbo auxiliar futuro|continuará|en|su|posición Y así, ahora en adelante, muchas personas se preguntan si el Cardenal Pell continuará en su puesto. He turned 75 in June, which is the normal age at which bishops retire. él|cumplió|en|junio|lo cual|es|la|normal|edad|a|la que|obispos|se retiran Cumplió 75 años en junio, que es la edad normal a la que los obispos se retiran. And it may be a situation where the cardinal is not really asked to stay on, and they just retire him when he turns 75. y|eso|puede|ser|una|situación|donde|el|cardenal|está|no|realmente|se le pide|que|quedarse|en|y|ellos|simplemente|retiran|lo|cuando|él|cumple Y puede ser una situación en la que no se le pida realmente al cardenal que se quede, y simplemente se le retire cuando cumpla 75 años.

INSKEEP: Does the cardinal face potential legal action in Australia, having admitted under oath that he failed to report sex abuse? INSKEEP|verbo auxiliar|el|cardenal|enfrenta|potencial|legal|acción|en|Australia|habiendo|admitido|bajo|juramento|que|él|falló|a|reportar|abuso|sexual INSKEEP: ¿Enfrenta el cardenal una posible acción legal en Australia, habiendo admitido bajo juramento que no informó sobre el abuso sexual?

MCELWEE: Well, for cardinal - what the cardinal said was it was a child telling him a teacher was misbehaving with boys. MCELWEE|bueno|para|cardenal|lo que|el|cardenal|dijo|fue|eso|fue|un|niño|diciendo|le|un|maestro|estaba|comportándose mal|con|niños MCELWEE: Bueno, lo que dijo el cardenal fue que era un niño quien le dijo que un maestro se estaba comportando mal con los chicos. So it wasn't clear to him, at least in his testimony, that it was sexual abuse. así|eso|no fue|claro|a|él|al|menos|en|su|testimonio|que|eso|fue|sexual|abuso Así que no le quedó claro, al menos en su testimonio, que se trataba de abuso sexual. The commission doesn't have prosecutorial power, but it can recommend to local prosecutors basically findings of fact. la|comisión|no|tiene|de enjuiciamiento|poder|sino|esta|puede|recomendar|a|locales|fiscales|básicamente|hallazgos|de|hecho La comisión no tiene poder de acusación, pero puede recomendar a los fiscales locales, básicamente, hallazgos de hecho. And so now we would wait in the next few months to see what the commission does and if there might be any such communication between the commission and local prosecutors. y|así|ahora|nosotros|verbo auxiliar condicional|esperar|en|los|próximos|pocos|meses|para|ver|qué|la|comisión|hace|y|si|allí|podría|haber|alguna|tal|comunicación|entre|la|comisión|y|locales|fiscales Y así que ahora esperaríamos en los próximos meses para ver qué hace la comisión y si podría haber alguna comunicación entre la comisión y los fiscales locales.

INSKEEP: Joshua McElwee of the National Catholic Reporter. INSKEEP|Joshua|McElwee|de|el|Nacional|Católico|Reporter INSKEEP: Joshua McElwee del National Catholic Reporter. Thanks very much. gracias|muy|mucho Muchas gracias.

MCELWEE: Thank you for having me. McElwee|gracias|a|por|tener|mí MCELWEE: Gracias por tenerme.

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