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Daily English with Sylvia, BBC Learning English - 6 Minute English / Women in the workplace

BBC Learning English - 6 Minute English / Women in the workplace

Neil:

Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English. I'm Neil.

Sam:

And I'm Sam.

Neil:

Sam, does this situation sound familiar?

It's a colleague's birthday next week.

A male boss says to a female employee – “You're great at organising things – would you buy a card and get everyone in the office to sign it?

Oh, and we'll need to order a cake too – thanks, you're amazing!”

Sam:

Yes, I have seen that. A male boss asks a woman to do all the jobs that keep the office running but do nothing to advance her career or improve her chances of promotion – that's when someone moves up into a higher, better paid position in a company.

Neil:

Sadly, this happens a lot.

In many workplaces around the world, it's the men who are considered ‘born leaders' and promoted up the corporate career ladder, while the women are given less important roles.

Even today, many working women find themselves at a point in their career beyond which they cannot progress, an invisible barrier to succeed referred to as the glass ceiling.

Sam:

But in this programme, we'll be meeting the members of The No Club, a group of women saying ‘no' to the glass ceiling by publicly questioning the kinds of jobs men and women are asked to do in the workplace.

And, of course, we'll be learning some useful new vocabulary as well.

Neil:

But first, I have a question for you, Sam.

Despite the glass ceiling, women do make it to the top jobs in many areas of work and business, even in the male-dominated world of politics.

So, who was the first woman to become British Prime Minister? Was it:

a) Theresa May? b) Nicola Sturgeon? or c) Margaret Thatcher?

Sam:

I know the answer to this one, Neil. It's c) Margaret Thatcher.

Neil:

OK. Well, we'll find out later if you're right.

Professor Lise Vesterlund is one of the four academics who co-wrote The No Club, a book discussing how females disproportionately take on the unimportant, less visible tasks at work.

Sam:

Professor Vesterlund calls these non-promotable tasks, jobs like taking notes, organising social events or chairing meetings – jobs that take time and effort but do little to increase company profits or to boost your career.

Research shows that most of these tasks are done by women.

Here's Lise Vesterlund explaining more to BBC World Service programme, Business Daily.

Prof Lise Vesterlund:

We've been noticing gender differences in wages, in advancement, in negotiation.

Burn-out for women is much greater than it is for men.

Their dissatisfaction with their work is much greater.

And we've been trying to sort of address all these objectives with lots of different methods and techniques, and what is interesting about the non-promotable work is that it, in a very structural sense, contributes to all of those differences.

Neil:

Professor Vesterlund lists some workplace gender imbalances, including job dissatisfaction and burn-out – that's tiredness and exhaustion caused by working too hard.

Many of these issues are made worse by non-promotable tasks.

Sam:

Natalie Quail agrees.

Natalie started her successful dental cosmetics company, SmileTime, after winning a business competition on the TV show, Dragon's Den.

Here she tells BBC World Service's Business Daily about her experience of being asked to take on non-promotable tasks in her work as a trainee solicitor.

Natalie Quail:

As a trainee solicitor pretty much every task that you take on is a non-promotable task.

Note-taking is one of them, in meetings, when you, kind of, are told that you can't really speak or say anything.

I was tasked with being the team party organiser, so that was my role.

It does definitely occur that the women in the team, the level of multitasking they're doing just ... far outstrips the men in a lot of cases, for example, you know, a lot of women in the team would also be juggling having kids at home, being a working mum.

Neil:

Natalie found herself doing non-promotable tasks.

She thinks many women in the workplace are expected to be good at multitasking - doing more than one thing at the same time.

Sam:

For working mums, who are raising a family as well as developing careers at work, this involves some juggling - trying to manage your life when you are involved in many different activities which all demand your time.

Neil:

In the forty years since the term ‘glass ceiling' was invented, it seems not much has changed for working women.

But there is some good news.

The number of female managers and women working in jobs traditionally seen as male has increased dramatically, and those companies where getting promotion is based on ability not gender, have benefitted from talented, hard-working female leaders.

Sam:

And speaking of female leaders, Neil, what was the answer to your question?

You asked me who was the first female British Prime Minister, and I said Margaret Thatcher. Was I right?

Neil:

You were right! Mrs Thatcher, nicknamed The Iron Lady, became Prime Minister in May 1979, the first woman to break the political glass ceiling in the UK - an invisible barrier to advancing in your career.

Sam:

OK, let's recap the other vocabulary we've learnt, starting with promotion - moving up into a higher, more important position in your company.

Neil:

The term non-promotable tasks describes those unimportant jobs which help your organisation but do nothing to advance your career.

They are often given to women.

Sam:

If you have burn-out, you're exhausted from working too hard.

Neil:

Multitasking is the ability to do several things at the same time.

Sam:

And finally, juggling involves managing many different activities which all demand your time.

We've managed our time pretty well so far but now our six minutes are up! Bye for now!

Neil:

Bye!

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Neil: Neil:

Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English. นี่คือภาษาอังกฤษ 6 นาทีจาก BBC Learning English I'm Neil.

Sam: แซม:

And I'm Sam. และฉันแซม

Neil:

Sam, does this situation sound familiar? Same, připadá vám tato situace povědomá? แซม สถานการณ์นี้ฟังดูคุ้นๆ ไหม? Sam, bu durum sana tanıdık geliyor mu?

It's a colleague's birthday next week. สัปดาห์หน้าวันเกิดเพื่อนร่วมงาน Gelecek hafta bir meslektaşımın doğum günü.

A male boss says to a female employee – “You're great at organising things – would you buy a card and get everyone in the office to sign it? Šéf muž řekne zaměstnankyni: "Jsi skvělá v organizování věcí - koupila bys kartičku a dala ji všem v kanceláři podepsat? 男性上司が女性社員にこう言う--「君は物事をまとめるのが得意だから、カードを買ってオフィスのみんなにサインしてもらえないか? Um chefe diz a uma funcionária - "És óptima a organizar coisas - podes comprar um cartão e pedir a todos no escritório que o assinem? Moški šef reče uslužbenki: "Odlično znaš organizirati stvari - ali bi kupila voščilnico in dala vsem v pisarni, da jo podpišejo? เจ้านายชายพูดกับพนักงานหญิงว่า “คุณจัดการเรื่องต่างๆ เก่งมาก คุณจะซื้อบัตรและให้ทุกคนในสำนักงานเซ็นชื่อหรือไม่? Erkek bir patron, kadın bir çalışanına şöyle der: "İşleri organize etmekte harikasın - bir kart alıp ofisteki herkese imzalatır mısın?

Oh, and we'll need to order a cake too – thanks, you're amazing!” Jo, a taky budeme muset objednat dort - díky, jsi úžasná!" โอ้ และเราจะต้องสั่งเค้กด้วย ขอบคุณ คุณยอดเยี่ยมมาก!” Oh, bir de pasta sipariş etmemiz gerekecek - teşekkürler, harikasınız!"

Sam:

Yes, I have seen that. Ano, to jsem viděl. ใช่ ฉันได้เห็นสิ่งนั้นแล้ว A male boss asks a woman to do all the jobs that keep the office running but do nothing to advance her career or improve her chances of promotion – that's when someone moves up into a higher, better paid position in a company. Mužský šéf žádá ženu, aby dělala všechny práce, které zajišťují chod kanceláře, ale nedělá nic pro její kariérní postup nebo zvýšení šancí na povýšení - to je, když se někdo posune na vyšší, lépe placenou pozici ve firmě. Un jefe varón pide a una mujer que haga todas las tareas que mantienen la oficina en funcionamiento, pero no hace nada por hacer avanzar su carrera ni por mejorar sus posibilidades de promoción, que es cuando alguien asciende a un puesto más alto y mejor pagado en una empresa. 男性上司は女性に、会社の運営を維持するためのあらゆる仕事を頼むが、キャリアアップや昇進の可能性を高めることは何もしない。 Мужчина-начальник просит женщину выполнять всю работу, которая обеспечивает функционирование офиса, но ничего не делает для ее карьерного роста или повышения шансов на продвижение по службе - это когда человек продвигается на более высокую и высокооплачиваемую должность в компании. Moški šef od ženske zahteva, da opravlja vsa dela, ki zagotavljajo delovanje pisarne, vendar ne stori ničesar, da bi napredovala v karieri ali izboljšala svoje možnosti za napredovanje - to je napredovanje na višje in bolje plačano delovno mesto v podjetju. เจ้านายผู้ชายขอให้ผู้หญิงทำงานทั้งหมดที่ทำให้สำนักงานดำเนินต่อไป แต่ไม่ทำอะไรเพื่อพัฒนาอาชีพการงานของเธอหรือเพิ่มโอกาสในการเลื่อนตำแหน่ง นั่นคือเมื่อมีคนเลื่อนตำแหน่งขึ้นสู่ตำแหน่งที่สูงขึ้นและจ่ายดีกว่าในบริษัท Erkek bir patron, bir kadından ofisin çalışmasını sağlayan tüm işleri yapmasını ister, ancak kariyerini ilerletmek veya terfi şansını artırmak için hiçbir şey yapmaz - bu, bir kişinin bir şirkette daha yüksek, daha iyi maaşlı bir pozisyona yükselmesi anlamına gelir.

Neil:

Sadly, this happens a lot. Bohužel se to stává často.

In many workplaces around the world, it's the men who are considered ‘born leaders' and promoted up the corporate career ladder, while the women are given less important roles. 世界中の多くの職場で、『生まれながらのリーダー』とみなされ、出世の階段を上っていくのは男性であり、女性はそれほど重要な役割を与えられていない。 Na številnih delovnih mestih po svetu so moški tisti, ki veljajo za "rojene vodje" in napredujejo po karierni lestvici, medtem ko imajo ženske manj pomembne vloge. Dünyanın dört bir yanındaki pek çok işyerinde, 'doğuştan lider' olarak kabul edilen ve kurumsal kariyer basamaklarını tırmanan erkekler olurken, kadınlara daha az önemli roller veriliyor.

Even today, many working women find themselves at a point in their career beyond which they cannot progress, an invisible barrier to succeed referred to as the glass ceiling. Auch heute noch finden sich viele berufstätige Frauen an einem Punkt in ihrer Karriere wieder, über den sie nicht hinauskommen, eine unsichtbare Barriere, die als gläserne Decke bezeichnet wird. Incluso hoy en día, muchas mujeres trabajadoras se encuentran en un punto de su carrera profesional más allá del cual no pueden progresar, una barrera invisible para triunfar conocida como el techo de cristal. Še danes se mnoge zaposlene ženske znajdejo na točki v svoji karieri, po kateri ne morejo napredovati, kar je nevidna ovira za uspeh, imenovana stekleni strop. Bugün bile pek çok çalışan kadın, kariyerlerinde ilerleyemeyecekleri bir noktada, cam tavan olarak adlandırılan görünmez bir engelle karşılaşmaktadır.

Sam:

But in this programme, we'll be meeting the members of The No Club, a group of women saying ‘no' to the glass ceiling by publicly questioning the kinds of jobs men and women are asked to do in the workplace. In dieser Sendung treffen wir die Mitglieder des No Club, einer Gruppe von Frauen, die sich gegen die gläserne Decke wehren, indem sie öffentlich die Art von Aufgaben in Frage stellen, die von Männern und Frauen am Arbeitsplatz verlangt werden. この番組では、男女が職場で求められる仕事の種類に公然と疑問を投げかけ、ガラスの天井に「ノー」を突きつける女性グループ「ノー・クラブ」のメンバーを紹介する。 V tej oddaji pa bomo spoznali članice Kluba Ne, skupine žensk, ki z javnim spraševanjem o tem, kakšna dela morajo na delovnem mestu opravljati moški in ženske, govorijo "ne" steklenemu stropu. Ancak bu programda, işyerinde kadın ve erkeklerden ne tür işler yapmaları istendiğini alenen sorgulayarak cam tavana 'hayır' diyen bir grup kadından oluşan The No Club üyeleriyle tanışacağız.

And, of course, we'll be learning some useful new vocabulary as well. Ve elbette, bazı yararlı yeni kelimeler de öğreneceğiz.

Neil:

But first, I have a question for you, Sam.

Despite the glass ceiling, women do make it to the top jobs in many areas of work and business, even in the male-dominated world of politics. ガラスの天井があるにもかかわらず、女性は仕事やビジネスの多くの分野で、男性優位の政治の世界でさえ、トップの仕事に就いている。 Cam tavana rağmen kadınlar, erkek egemen siyaset dünyası da dahil olmak üzere, birçok iş ve çalışma alanında en üst düzey görevlere gelebilmektedir.

So, who was the first woman to become British Prime Minister? Peki, İngiltere Başbakanı olan ilk kadın kimdi? Was it:

a) Theresa May? a) Theresa May? b) Nicola Sturgeon? or c) Margaret Thatcher?

Sam:

I know the answer to this one, Neil. It's c) Margaret Thatcher.

Neil:

OK. Well, we'll find out later if you're right. Haklı olup olmadığını sonra öğreneceğiz.

Professor Lise Vesterlund is one of the four academics who co-wrote The No Club, a book discussing how females disproportionately take on the unimportant, less visible tasks at work. リセ・ヴェステルランド教授は、いかに女性が仕事において重要でない、目につきにくい仕事を偏って担っているかを論じた本『ノー・クラブ』を共同執筆した4人の学者の一人である。 Profesorica Lise Vesterlund je ena od štirih akademikov, ki so napisali knjigo Klub brez, v kateri govorijo o tem, kako ženske nesorazmerno pogosto prevzemajo nepomembne in manj vidne naloge na delovnem mestu. Profesör Lise Vesterlund, kadınların iş yerinde önemsiz, daha az görünür görevleri nasıl orantısız bir şekilde üstlendiklerini tartışan bir kitap olan The No Club'ı birlikte yazan dört akademisyenden biri.

Sam:

Professor Vesterlund calls these non-promotable tasks, jobs like taking notes, organising social events or chairing meetings – jobs that take time and effort but do little to increase company profits or to boost your career. Profesor Vesterlund te naloge imenuje naloge, ki jih ni mogoče promovirati, kot so pisanje zapiskov, organiziranje družabnih dogodkov ali vodenje sestankov, torej naloge, ki zahtevajo čas in trud, vendar le malo prispevajo k povečanju dobička podjetja ali k vaši karieri. Profesör Vesterlund, not almak, sosyal etkinlikler düzenlemek ya da toplantılara başkanlık etmek gibi zaman ve çaba gerektiren ancak şirket kârını artırma ya da kariyerinizi ilerletme konusunda çok az faydası olan bu işleri terfi edilemeyen işler olarak adlandırıyor. Професор Вестерлунд називає такими завданнями, що не сприяють просуванню по службі, роботу на кшталт ведення нотаток, організації громадських заходів або головування на зборах - роботу, яка забирає час і зусилля, але мало сприяє збільшенню прибутку компанії або кар'єрному зростанню.

Research shows that most of these tasks are done by women. Araştırmalar, bu görevlerin çoğunun kadınlar tarafından yapıldığını gösteriyor.

Here's Lise Vesterlund explaining more to BBC World Service programme, Business Daily. BBCワールドサービスの番組『Business Daily』で、リセ・ヴェステルランドが詳しく説明している。 Lise Vesterlund BBC Dünya Servisi'nin Business Daily programına daha fazla açıklama yapıyor.

Prof Lise Vesterlund:

We've been noticing gender differences in wages, in advancement, in negotiation. 私たちは賃金、昇進、交渉における男女差に気づいてきた。 Opažamo razlike med spoloma pri plačah, napredovanju in pogajanjih. Ücretlerde, terfilerde, müzakerelerde cinsiyet farklılıkları olduğunu fark ediyoruz.

Burn-out for women is much greater than it is for men.

Their dissatisfaction with their work is much greater. İşlerinden duydukları memnuniyetsizlik çok daha fazladır.

And we've been trying to sort of address all these objectives with lots of different methods and techniques, and what is interesting about the non-promotable work is that it, in a very structural sense, contributes to all of those differences. そして私たちは、多くの異なる手法やテクニックを駆使して、これらすべての目標に取り組もうとしてきた。非促進的な仕事について興味深いのは、それが非常に構造的な意味で、これらすべての違いに貢献しているということだ。 И мы пытались решить все эти задачи с помощью различных методов и приемов, и что интересно в отношении непродвигаемой работы, так это то, что она, в очень структурном смысле, вносит свой вклад во все эти различия. Vse te cilje smo poskušali doseči z različnimi metodami in tehnikami, pri čemer je zanimivo, da delo, ki ga ni mogoče promovirati, v zelo strukturnem smislu prispeva k vsem tem razlikam.

Neil:

Professor Vesterlund lists some workplace gender imbalances, including job dissatisfaction and burn-out – that's tiredness and exhaustion caused by working too hard.

Many of these issues are made worse by non-promotable tasks.

Sam:

Natalie Quail agrees. ナタリー・ウズラも同意見だ。

Natalie started her successful dental cosmetics company, SmileTime, after winning a business competition on the TV show, Dragon's Den. Natalie, başarılı diş kozmetiği şirketi SmileTime'ı Dragon's Den adlı TV programında bir iş yarışmasını kazandıktan sonra kurdu.

Here she tells BBC World Service's Business Daily about her experience of being asked to take on non-promotable tasks in her work as a trainee solicitor. ここでは、彼女が研修生事務弁護士として働く中で、昇進できない仕事を頼まれた経験についてBBCワールドサービスの『ビジネス・デイリー』に語っている。 Burada BBC Dünya Servisi'nin Business Daily programına stajyer avukat olarak çalışırken terfi edilemeyecek görevler üstlenmesinin istenmesiyle ilgili deneyimlerini anlatıyor.

Natalie Quail:

As a trainee solicitor pretty much every task that you take on is a non-promotable task.

Note-taking is one of them, in meetings, when you, kind of, are told that you can't really speak or say anything. Запись заметок - одна из них, на совещаниях, когда вам как бы говорят, что вы не можете говорить или сказать что-либо.

I was tasked with being the team party organiser, so that was my role. 私はチームのパーティーのオーガナイザーを任されていたので、それが私の役割だった。 Ekip partisinin organizatörü olarak görevlendirilmiştim, yani benim rolüm buydu.

It does definitely occur that the women in the team, the level of multitasking they're doing just ... far outstrips the men in a lot of cases, for example, you know, a lot of women in the team would also be juggling having kids at home, being a working mum. チーム内の女性がマルチタスクをこなすレベルは、多くの場合、男性をはるかに凌駕している。

Neil:

Natalie found herself doing non-promotable tasks.

She thinks many women in the workplace are expected to be good at multitasking - doing more than one thing at the same time.

Sam:

For working mums, who are raising a family as well as developing careers at work, this involves some juggling - trying to manage your life when you are involved in many different activities which all demand your time. 家庭を築きながら仕事でもキャリアを積んでいるワーキングマザーにとっては、さまざまな活動に時間を割かれながら、自分の生活をやりくりするのは大変なことだ。

Neil:

In the forty years since the term ‘glass ceiling' was invented, it seems not much has changed for working women.

But there is some good news.

The number of female managers and women working in jobs traditionally seen as male has increased dramatically, and those companies where getting promotion is based on ability not gender, have benefitted from talented, hard-working female leaders. 女性管理職や、従来は男性とみなされていた仕事に就く女性の数は劇的に増加し、昇進が性別ではなく能力によって決まる企業では、有能で勤勉な女性リーダーの恩恵を受けている。 Число женщин-менеджеров и женщин, работающих на должностях, традиционно считавшихся мужскими, резко возросло, а те компании, где продвижение по службе зависит от способностей, а не от пола, выиграли от появления талантливых и трудолюбивых женщин-руководителей.

Sam:

And speaking of female leaders, Neil, what was the answer to your question? 女性リーダーといえば、ニール、あなたの質問の答えは?

You asked me who was the first female British Prime Minister, and I said Margaret Thatcher. Was I right?

Neil:

You were right! Mrs Thatcher, nicknamed The Iron Lady, became Prime Minister in May 1979, the first woman to break the political glass ceiling in the UK - an invisible barrier to advancing in your career.

Sam:

OK, let's recap the other vocabulary we've learnt, starting with promotion - moving up into a higher, more important position in your company. さて、これまで学んだ他の語彙を復習しよう。まずは昇進から。昇進とは、会社でより高い、より重要なポジションに就くことだ。

Neil:

The term non-promotable tasks describes those unimportant jobs which help your organisation but do nothing to advance your career.

They are often given to women.

Sam:

If you have burn-out, you're exhausted from working too hard.

Neil:

Multitasking is the ability to do several things at the same time.

Sam: サム

And finally, juggling involves managing many different activities which all demand your time.

We've managed our time pretty well so far but now our six minutes are up! До сих пор мы неплохо справлялись со своим временем, но теперь наши шесть минут истекли! Bye for now!

Neil:

Bye!