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The Michael Shermer Show, 293. An Immigrant’s Love Letter to the West (8)

293. An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West (8)

2 (1h 14m 55s):

That young people are essentially locked out of the opportunity to have their own space. And that means they start families late. And if at all, and then it means that they're, you know, the busy dying, their hair pink and protesting about, you know, trans rights or whatever instead of getting on with life. And I always say to conservatives, like, how are you expecting these people to be conservative? If they have nothing to conserve, you've gotta address this situation. So there are pockets of genuine blockage that will arise in a market system. And, and that's where you have to come in and regulate or you have to adjust that I've got no problem with that. I'm not an absolutist about the free market, but I do think the free market is essential and that will, you know, the free market, generally speaking, not always.

2 (1h 15m 38s):

And there are exceptions to this, but it rewards, it reflects inequalities in society. You have more money than me because you've created more value for other people than I have. And if I create more value for other people than you have, then I'll have more money than you. Now, there are exceptions to this. There are some forms of unpaid work, for example, that that are not rewarded in our society. And maybe there ought to be, or maybe we just have to, you know, there are different ways of managing. It's a complicated question, how you reward work. That's currently unpaid, but that work isn't rewarded in, in socialist systems either. So every society is gonna have its trade offs.

2 (1h 16m 20s):

And it's, as, as I said to you in, in our conversation about immigration, it's up to the people of the country. If they don't like the system that we currently have, they should vote for somebody else now. So far they haven't.

1 (1h 16m 33s):

Right. Okay. Let's hit the last.

2 (1h 16m 36s):

So clearly they're somewhat satisfied with what we've got. Right.

1 (1h 16m 38s):

So for the most part, most people are reasonably satisfied. Yeah. So your final chapter is 10 ways to destroy the west. I don't want you to have to go through all 10, just pick a couple there in the context of, you know, here we are, August 17th, Liz Cheney just lost her primary yesterday. So she's out for telling the truth and, and being devoted to the constitution and the rule of law. You know, in other words, Trump has kind of divided the G O P between the cultural personality that he is and, and the kind of old school conservatives. And then you have on the other side Biden, and then, you know, kind of the far left, woke progressives who are kind of dividing the, the Democrats and you have someone like Andrew Yang who wants to start a new party, a forward party, let's, you know, do something different.

1 (1h 17m 22s):

Like European countries have like six half a dozen viable parties. You know, I don't see that happening here. People are talking about, you know, if the election is not in 20, 24, not perceived to be legitimate on either side, you know, we could have civil war and so on. So what are you worried about for the west in the coming? Let's say decade,

2 (1h 17m 42s):

I am not worried so much about the West's internal struggles. I believe we have the tools to overcome them. I, as my very good friend bridge fantasy always says, America is too fat, have a civil war. Yeah. Which I think is a great line. And I don't mean in any offense to, to, to, to, to my, my beloved Americans. But I, I, I'm not sure that I worry so much about that. I believe genuinely Michael, that we in the west have nothing to fear about except except our own obsessiveness with all this irrelevant stuff that is distracting us from the things that matter. And if we can realize the nature of the threads that we're facing and come together around those issues and stop this, we have absolutely nothing to fear.

2 (1h 18m 32s):

And I hope that the people who run, I, I, you know, I, I really, I I'm a hundred percent certain Donald Trump will run if you can. I really wish he didn't. I wish he she'd set, you know, step aside for someone like DeSantis, who's less divisive, but has many of the same policies because actually on policy, I thought a lot of what Donald Trump was, was talking about was quite sensible policy wise. He was his behavior that bothered me. So if the Republicans were to have somebody like that, and if maybe the Democrats could elect somebody, who's got a pulse, we'd be making some progress. I

1 (1h 19m 7s):

Feel nicely said perfectly done and loved your book Constantine here. It is. Again, an immigrants love letter to the west. It's a nice mirror on who we are to see it through the eyes of somebody who's an immigrant. So thanks for doing that. Thanks for coming on the show and thanks for your comedy work and your podcast. I love all your stuff that you're doing. What's next,

2 (1h 19m 26s):

Michael, thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me on what's. Next is we are going to build more and more trigonometry. We've just come back from a big trip to the us. As you know, we had bill bur, Sam Harris, Adam Carol, on the show, we will enjoy Rogan show. We've got a bunch of other people we'd, we'd love to interview. So I think part of the future of our show is we're gonna spend a bit more time in the United States, get, hang out with people like you and others that we admire and like over there, and, you know, to make sure to add as much of that as we can, because while I think this remote stuff is brilliant and I certainly am grateful for the opportunity that technology has given us is nothing quite like sitting down with somebody face to face and having a real conversation.

2 (1h 20m 9s):

So that will be a big,

1 (1h 20m 12s):

A.


293. An Immigrant’s Love Letter to the West (8)

2 (1h 14m 55s):

That young people are essentially locked out of the opportunity to have their own space. And that means they start families late. And if at all, and then it means that they're, you know, the busy dying, their hair pink and protesting about, you know, trans rights or whatever instead of getting on with life. And I always say to conservatives, like, how are you expecting these people to be conservative? If they have nothing to conserve, you've gotta address this situation. So there are pockets of genuine blockage that will arise in a market system. And, and that's where you have to come in and regulate or you have to adjust that I've got no problem with that. I'm not an absolutist about the free market, but I do think the free market is essential and that will, you know, the free market, generally speaking, not always.

2 (1h 15m 38s):

And there are exceptions to this, but it rewards, it reflects inequalities in society. You have more money than me because you've created more value for other people than I have. And if I create more value for other people than you have, then I'll have more money than you. Now, there are exceptions to this. There are some forms of unpaid work, for example, that that are not rewarded in our society. And maybe there ought to be, or maybe we just have to, you know, there are different ways of managing. It's a complicated question, how you reward work. That's currently unpaid, but that work isn't rewarded in, in socialist systems either. So every society is gonna have its trade offs.

2 (1h 16m 20s):

And it's, as, as I said to you in, in our conversation about immigration, it's up to the people of the country. If they don't like the system that we currently have, they should vote for somebody else now. So far they haven't.

1 (1h 16m 33s):

Right. Okay. Let's hit the last.

2 (1h 16m 36s):

So clearly they're somewhat satisfied with what we've got. Right.

1 (1h 16m 38s):

So for the most part, most people are reasonably satisfied. Yeah. So your final chapter is 10 ways to destroy the west. I don't want you to have to go through all 10, just pick a couple there in the context of, you know, here we are, August 17th, Liz Cheney just lost her primary yesterday. So she's out for telling the truth and, and being devoted to the constitution and the rule of law. You know, in other words, Trump has kind of divided the G O P between the cultural personality that he is and, and the kind of old school conservatives. And then you have on the other side Biden, and then, you know, kind of the far left, woke progressives who are kind of dividing the, the Democrats and you have someone like Andrew Yang who wants to start a new party, a forward party, let's, you know, do something different.

1 (1h 17m 22s):

Like European countries have like six half a dozen viable parties. You know, I don't see that happening here. People are talking about, you know, if the election is not in 20, 24, not perceived to be legitimate on either side, you know, we could have civil war and so on. So what are you worried about for the west in the coming? Let's say decade,

2 (1h 17m 42s):

I am not worried so much about the West's internal struggles. I believe we have the tools to overcome them. I, as my very good friend bridge fantasy always says, America is too fat, have a civil war. Yeah. Which I think is a great line. And I don't mean in any offense to, to, to, to, to my, my beloved Americans. But I, I, I'm not sure that I worry so much about that. I believe genuinely Michael, that we in the west have nothing to fear about except except our own obsessiveness with all this irrelevant stuff that is distracting us from the things that matter. And if we can realize the nature of the threads that we're facing and come together around those issues and stop this, we have absolutely nothing to fear.

2 (1h 18m 32s):

And I hope that the people who run, I, I, you know, I, I really, I I'm a hundred percent certain Donald Trump will run if you can. I really wish he didn't. I wish he she'd set, you know, step aside for someone like DeSantis, who's less divisive, but has many of the same policies because actually on policy, I thought a lot of what Donald Trump was, was talking about was quite sensible policy wise. He was his behavior that bothered me. So if the Republicans were to have somebody like that, and if maybe the Democrats could elect somebody, who's got a pulse, we'd be making some progress. I

1 (1h 19m 7s):

Feel nicely said perfectly done and loved your book Constantine here. It is. Again, an immigrants love letter to the west. It's a nice mirror on who we are to see it through the eyes of somebody who's an immigrant. So thanks for doing that. Thanks for coming on the show and thanks for your comedy work and your podcast. I love all your stuff that you're doing. What's next,

2 (1h 19m 26s):

Michael, thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me on what's. Next is we are going to build more and more trigonometry. We've just come back from a big trip to the us. As you know, we had bill bur, Sam Harris, Adam Carol, on the show, we will enjoy Rogan show. We've got a bunch of other people we'd, we'd love to interview. So I think part of the future of our show is we're gonna spend a bit more time in the United States, get, hang out with people like you and others that we admire and like over there, and, you know, to make sure to add as much of that as we can, because while I think this remote stuff is brilliant and I certainly am grateful for the opportunity that technology has given us is nothing quite like sitting down with somebody face to face and having a real conversation.

2 (1h 20m 9s):

So that will be a big,

1 (1h 20m 12s):

A.