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Ali Abdaal, My 4-Step Framework for Learning With Audiobooks (1)

My 4-Step Framework for Learning With Audiobooks (1)

Speaker 1 (00:00): So over the last few years,

I have listened to over 165 audiobooks, and they've been a total game changer for how

quickly I've been able to learn new stuff. So in this video, we're going to go through my four

step method with eight tips that have helped me to learn from audiobooks more efficiently. Part one,

listening to books versus reading books. Speaker 1 (00:15):

Now there's been some discussion on the internet about whether listening to audiobooks or

reading physical books like which of those counts as reading? Some people argue that it's actually

not the same because well, we're listening rather than reading, and there's something special about

reading a book, whether it's on Kindle or in other formats that counts as reading.

Some people also say that allegedly, we absorb information better when we're reading rather

than when we're listening. Speaker 1 (00:34):

My sense is that this whole reading versus listening debate kind of misses the point

because really we shouldn't be thinking of audio books as being a substitute for physical books,

but instead, a way to compliment our reading habit in other areas of our life. And the way

I think of it is that there's broadly three ways in which audiobooks compliment physical books.

The first one is speed. Speaker 1 (00:49):

Often we can listen to things a lot faster than we can necessarily read those things. Now, we

all have 10 times more books on our recommended or to be read shelves than we're ever going to read

in our lifetimes. And my feeling is that if an audio book is 12 hours long and if I listen to it

at three times speed, well then it takes me four hours to listen to a 12 hour long audiobook.

Speaker 1 (01:05): I know this is super controversial.

We're going to be talking more about the nuances around the speed listening further in the video.

And people often ask like, what do you actually gain from listening to an audiobook at double or

triple speed? Which brings me on to point two of how audiobooks compliment physical books,

which is the idea of quick sampling. Speaker 1 (01:18):

Now, listening to audiobook is a great way of actually sampling a book before you decide to buy

the physical version on Kindle or in paperback. If after listening to some or all of the audio book,

you decide that you actually don't need or want to read the physical version, then suddenly you've

saved time and you don't then have to read this physical book. I went through my Audible and I've

listened to 165 audio books, but of them I've only bought and read the physical version of somewhere

between 20 and 30. Speaker 1 (01:39):

And thirdly, audio books compliment physical books because they're a way of reducing friction. And

the main way they do this is that they allow multitasking. Like I've listened to so many

audio books in my time at the gym and in my time commuting and driving and doing stuff around the

house. And in all those cases, I'm listening to an audiobook where otherwise I would've been

listening to music or nothing at all instead. Speaker 1 (01:56):

Part two, my workflow for learning from audiobooks. So my workflow for learning

from audiobooks is split up into four main steps. Step one is intention. Step two is selection. Step

three is consumption, and step four is processing. All right, let's start with step one, intention.

And really the idea here is like, what is the intention behind listening to this particular

audiobook? Am I listening to the audiobook for pleasure or am I listening to the audiobook for

some kind of efficient learning? Speaker 1 (02:18):

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with listening to audiobooks for pleasure. I'd say

around 50% of my audiobook listening time has been fiction rather than non-fiction and I'm listening

to the fiction or reading the fiction purely for pleasure. I'm not intending to learn anything or

trying to be productive with my audiobook listening when I'm specifically intending

to listen for pleasure. Speaker 1 (02:34):

Honestly, it can be one of the greatest things in life like listening to an audiobook while driving

while lying on the sofa, or even while playing PlayStation if you're really into that sort of

dopamine hit multitasking method. And in this context, you can just do what works for you.

Speaker 1 (02:44): Now for me personally, again, this

might be controversial to some people, but for me personally, I do find I enjoy fiction books more

when I listen to them at two time speed rather than one time speed because I feel the one time

speed narrations are just a bit too slow and the two time speed is like, okay, this feels decent,

I'm getting all the value from the fiction, I'm able to comprehend all of it very, very easily,

and I'm still enjoying it along the way. Speaker 1 (03:03):

And if you haven't yet started listening to audiobooks, I'd recommend starting with fiction

rather than non-fiction. Nonfiction, to be honest, can be a little bit dry. But if you start with

fiction, something like Stardust by Neil Gaiman, Neil Gaiman is an incredible narrator, he narrates

the book so well, it's fantastic. Or the Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson, there's all sorts

of fantastic fiction audiobooks, and it's a great gateway drug into the space and then if you want,

you can start going down the nonfiction route further down the line if you like.

Speaker 1 (03:25): By the way, quick thing,

we've nearly hit 3 million subscribers on this YouTube channel which is fricking insane. And so

to commemorate that milestone, we're going to be doing a massive giveaway and all the details for

that are going to be on my Instagram page. So that'll be linked in the video description if

you want to follow me on Instagram, that will give you all the details closer to the time.

Speaker 1 (03:40): Yeah, back to the video. All right. So now

assuming you want to listen to nonfiction for the sake of learning, that brings us onto step two,

which is selection. And really what we're trying to do here is to select the right book. And my

philosophy here is having a very, very, very wide net, but a very narrow filter. So by wide net,

I generally mean that my threshold for getting a book on Audible or getting an audio book is

really, really low. Speaker 1 (03:58):

And so anytime, almost anytime I'll get a book recommendation from a friend or I'll see a YouTube

video or a podcast or someone on Twitter who I follow recommends a particular book, I would

just almost without thinking buy the audiobook version of it because I know it's so easy for

me to listen to that audiobook and to at least get a sample of what the real book is like.

Speaker 1 (04:13): And that helps me cast the net wide,

but then there's a narrow filter beyond that. So usually at around the half an hour mark, half an

hour into the book, that's when I decide, okay, is this book still continuing to be worth my time?

And is this a book that I actually want to listen to all the way through or until I get bored or do

I just want to abandon it completely right now? Speaker 1 (04:28):

Now again, this might be controversial if you are the sort of person that thinks a book is a

hallowed object and oh, an author has put in work into this book, therefore, you are obligated to

watch the whole thing. But it's like you aren't obligated to watch a whole movie just because

you started, you aren't obligated to read a whole article or even to watch this whole YouTube video

just because you started. Speaker 1 (04:44):

Equally, you are absolutely not obligated to read a book just because you bought it in physical book

or Kindle or audio book format. And to be honest, now that I'm actually writing a book for myself,

I know how much work goes into the introduction and the first two or three chapters initially

compared to the rest of the book, because every publisher knows that most readers don't really

read beyond chapter three of a book. Speaker 1 (05:03):

And so really in nonfiction, generally what the authors are doing is that they are front loading

all of the really good stuff in the introduction in the first three chapters. And so if you don't

get a lot of value out of the introduction in the first three chapters, you are probably not going

to then get amazing value out of the rest of the book. And that's totally fine. That's not to say

the book sucks, but it is to say that some books are just going to land with us better at different

parts of our life. Speaker 1 (05:22):

So maybe you can come back to that book further down the line, or maybe it was more relevant

to you in your past. And that's totally fine, nothing wrong with that, right? So at this point,

we've cast the net wide, we've got a narrow filter and now we have an audiobook that

we're actually listening to all the way through, which brings us to step three, consumption.

Speaker 1 (05:35): Now having done this for the last few

years and listened to over a hundred nonfiction audiobooks that I've genuinely learned stuff from,

I've got four main tips to help you kind of learn more efficiently as you are consuming audiobooks.

The first one is to actively choose the right kind of multitasking activity that you want to do.

Most of us, when we're listening to audiobooks, we don't just sit there and just listen to the

whole audiobook, we generally listen to it while we're doing something else.

Speaker 1 (05:55): And the key thing here is that you

want to choose a multitasking activity that you could do completely on autopilot. So for example,

if that's like cleaning the house or doing the laundry, or driving to and from work,

these things that we do so often that we don't really need to think about it because as soon as

you start doing anything, even vaguely cognitively demanding, that is when the learning completely

goes out the window because really we want the kind of learning part of our mind to be focused

on the audiobook rather than on how we're going to get that crinkle out of our show.

Speaker 1 (06:20): Tip number two is to fiddle with

the speed to the point where it's fast enough, but also comfortable enough to be able to absorb the

information and to learn it effectively. Now this varies massively depending on A, the speed of the

narrator and also depending on the complexity of the topic that you're trying to learn. Now,

broadly the nonfiction books I listen to fall into three categories and depending on these three

categories, that dictates generally what kind of speed I'm going to be comfortable listening

to the audiobook at. Speaker 1 (06:43):

The first one is kind of self-helpy type books, which I'm defining as

I am listening to this book because I'm hoping to gain principles or strategies and tools that I'm

actually going to apply to my life. So these are generally things in the realm of pop psychology

or productivity or business or leadership or management. The reason I'm reading these books

is because I want to apply stuff from them. Speaker 1 (07:01):

Now these are the books that I normally start off listening to at 1.5 times speed. Basically

for every single narrator, one time speed is just way too slow for me personally. Your knowledge may

vary. So I always start off at 1.5 and if I feel that, okay, I'm getting the message and I can very

comfortably keep up with this, then I switch to two times speed. Usually these sorts of books


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Speaker 1 (00:00): So over the last few years, Locutor 1 (00:00): Portanto, nos últimos anos,

I have listened to over 165 audiobooks, and  they've been a total game changer for how Já ouvi mais de 165 audiolivros e foram um fator de mudança total na forma como

quickly I've been able to learn new stuff. So  in this video, we're going to go through my four rapidamente, tenho conseguido aprender coisas novas. Por isso, neste vídeo, vamos analisar as minhas quatro

step method with eight tips that have helped me to  learn from audiobooks more efficiently. Part one, com oito dicas que me ajudaram a aprender com os audiolivros de forma mais eficiente. Primeira parte,

listening to books versus reading books. Speaker 1 (00:15): ouvir livros versus ler livros. Orador 1 (00:15):

Now there's been some discussion on the internet  about whether listening to audiobooks or Tem havido alguma discussão na Internet sobre se ouvir audiolivros ou

reading physical books like which of those counts as reading? Some people argue that it's actually ler livros físicos, como qual deles conta como leitura? Algumas pessoas argumentam que, de facto, é

not the same because well, we're listening rather  than reading, and there's something special about não é o mesmo porque, bem, estamos a ouvir em vez de ler, e há algo de especial em

reading a book, whether it's on Kindle or  in other formats that counts as reading. ler um livro, quer seja no Kindle ou noutros formatos que contam como leitura.

Some people also say that allegedly, we absorb  information better when we're reading rather Algumas pessoas também dizem que, alegadamente, absorvemos melhor a informação quando estamos a ler do que quando estamos a ler.

than when we're listening. Speaker 1 (00:34): do que quando estamos a ouvir. Orador 1 (00:34):

My sense is that this whole reading versus  listening debate kind of misses the point A minha sensação é que todo este debate entre ler e ouvir não é bem assim

because really we shouldn't be thinking of audio  books as being a substitute for physical books, porque, na verdade, não deveríamos pensar nos livros áudio como um substituto dos livros físicos,

but instead, a way to compliment our reading  habit in other areas of our life. And the way mas sim uma forma de complementar o nosso hábito de leitura noutras áreas da nossa vida. E a maneira

I think of it is that there's broadly three ways  in which audiobooks compliment physical books. Penso que há três formas de os audiolivros complementarem os livros físicos.

The first one is speed. Speaker 1 (00:49): A primeira é a velocidade. Orador 1 (00:49):

Often we can listen to things a lot faster than  we can necessarily read those things. Now, we Muitas vezes, podemos ouvir coisas muito mais rapidamente do que podemos necessariamente ler essas coisas. Agora, nós

all have 10 times more books on our recommended or  to be read shelves than we're ever going to read todos temos 10 vezes mais livros nas nossas prateleiras de recomendados ou a ler do que alguma vez iremos ler

in our lifetimes. And my feeling is that if an  audio book is 12 hours long and if I listen to it durante a nossa vida. E a minha opinião é que se um livro áudio tiver 12 horas de duração e se eu o ouvir

at three times speed, well then it takes me four  hours to listen to a 12 hour long audiobook. a uma velocidade três vezes superior, então levo quatro horas a ouvir um audiolivro de 12 horas.

Speaker 1 (01:05): I know this is super controversial. Locutor 1 (01:05): Eu sei que isto é super controverso.

We're going to be talking more about the nuances  around the speed listening further in the video. Falaremos mais sobre as nuances em torno da velocidade de escuta mais adiante no vídeo.

And people often ask like, what do you actually  gain from listening to an audiobook at double or E as pessoas perguntam muitas vezes: o que é que se ganha realmente ao ouvir um audiolivro com o dobro ou

triple speed? Which brings me on to point two  of how audiobooks compliment physical books, velocidade tripla? O que me leva ao segundo ponto, sobre como os audiolivros complementam os livros físicos,

which is the idea of quick sampling. Speaker 1 (01:18): que é a ideia da amostragem rápida. Orador 1 (01:18):

Now, listening to audiobook is a great way of  actually sampling a book before you decide to buy Agora, ouvir um audiolivro é uma óptima forma de experimentar um livro antes de decidir comprá-lo

the physical version on Kindle or in paperback. If  after listening to some or all of the audio book, a versão física no Kindle ou em livro de bolso. Se depois de ouvir parte ou a totalidade do livro áudio,

you decide that you actually don't need or want  to read the physical version, then suddenly you've decidir que não precisa ou não quer ler a versão física, então, de repente, tem

saved time and you don't then have to read this  physical book. I went through my Audible and I've poupou tempo e não tem de ler este livro físico. Estive a ver o meu Audible e

listened to 165 audio books, but of them I've only  bought and read the physical version of somewhere Ouvi 165 audiolivros, mas só comprei e li a versão física de algum deles

between 20 and 30. Speaker 1 (01:39):

And thirdly, audio books compliment physical books  because they're a way of reducing friction. And E, em terceiro lugar, os livros áudio complementam os livros físicos porque são uma forma de reduzir o atrito. E

the main way they do this is that they allow  multitasking. Like I've listened to so many a principal forma de o fazer é permitir a execução de várias tarefas. Como já ouvi muitas vezes

audio books in my time at the gym and in my time  commuting and driving and doing stuff around the livros áudio no meu tempo no ginásio e no meu tempo de deslocação e condução e de fazer coisas em casa.

house. And in all those cases, I'm listening  to an audiobook where otherwise I would've been casa. E, em todos esses casos, estou a ouvir um audiolivro onde, de outra forma, teria estado

listening to music or nothing at all instead. Speaker 1 (01:56): Ouvir música ou não ouvir nada. Orador 1 (01:56):

Part two, my workflow for learning from  audiobooks. So my workflow for learning Segunda parte, o meu fluxo de trabalho para aprender com audiolivros. O meu fluxo de trabalho para aprender

from audiobooks is split up into four main steps.  Step one is intention. Step two is selection. Step de audiolivros divide-se em quatro passos principais. O primeiro passo é a intenção. O segundo passo é a seleção. Etapa

three is consumption, and step four is processing.  All right, let's start with step one, intention.

And really the idea here is like, what is the  intention behind listening to this particular E, na verdade, a ideia aqui é: qual é a intenção por detrás da audição deste

audiobook? Am I listening to the audiobook for  pleasure or am I listening to the audiobook for audiolivro? Estou a ouvir o audiolivro por prazer ou estou a ouvir o audiolivro para

some kind of efficient learning? Speaker 1 (02:18): algum tipo de aprendizagem eficiente? Orador 1 (02:18):

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with  listening to audiobooks for pleasure. I'd say Não há absolutamente nada de errado em ouvir audiolivros por prazer. Eu diria que

around 50% of my audiobook listening time has been  fiction rather than non-fiction and I'm listening cerca de 50% do meu tempo de audição de audiolivros tem sido de ficção e não de não-ficção e estou a ouvir

to the fiction or reading the fiction purely for  pleasure. I'm not intending to learn anything or para a ficção ou ler a ficção apenas por prazer. Não tenho a intenção de aprender nada ou

trying to be productive with my audiobook  listening when I'm specifically intending tentar ser produtivo com a audição de audiolivros quando tenho a intenção específica de

to listen for pleasure. Speaker 1 (02:34):

Honestly, it can be one of the greatest things in  life like listening to an audiobook while driving Honestamente, pode ser uma das melhores coisas da vida, como ouvir um audiolivro enquanto conduz

while lying on the sofa, or even while playing  PlayStation if you're really into that sort of enquanto está deitado no sofá, ou até mesmo enquanto joga PlayStation, se gosta mesmo desse tipo de

dopamine hit multitasking method. And in this  context, you can just do what works for you. método de multitarefas com dopamina. E, neste contexto, pode simplesmente fazer o que funciona para si.

Speaker 1 (02:44): Now for me personally, again, this Orador 1 (02:44): Agora, para mim, pessoalmente, mais uma vez, isto

might be controversial to some people, but for me  personally, I do find I enjoy fiction books more pode ser controverso para algumas pessoas, mas para mim, pessoalmente, acho que gosto mais de livros de ficção

when I listen to them at two time speed rather  than one time speed because I feel the one time quando as ouço a duas velocidades em vez de uma, porque sinto que a velocidade de uma

speed narrations are just a bit too slow and the  two time speed is like, okay, this feels decent, As narrações de velocidade são demasiado lentas e a velocidade de dois tempos é do tipo, ok, isto parece decente,

I'm getting all the value from the fiction, I'm  able to comprehend all of it very, very easily, Estou a retirar todo o valor da ficção, sou capaz de a compreender muito, muito facilmente,

and I'm still enjoying it along the way. Speaker 1 (03:03): e continuo a divertir-me ao longo do caminho. Orador 1 (03:03):

And if you haven't yet started listening to  audiobooks, I'd recommend starting with fiction E se ainda não começou a ouvir audiolivros, recomendo que comece pela ficção

rather than non-fiction. Nonfiction, to be honest,  can be a little bit dry. But if you start with em vez de não-ficção. A não-ficção, para ser sincero, pode ser um pouco seca. Mas se começar com

fiction, something like Stardust by Neil Gaiman,  Neil Gaiman is an incredible narrator, he narrates ficção, algo como Stardust de Neil Gaiman, Neil Gaiman é um narrador incrível, ele narra

the book so well, it's fantastic. Or the Mistborn  series by Brandon Sanderson, there's all sorts o livro tão bem, é fantástico. Ou a série Mistborn de Brandon Sanderson, há todo o tipo de livros

of fantastic fiction audiobooks, and it's a great  gateway drug into the space and then if you want, de fantásticos audiolivros de ficção, e é uma óptima porta de entrada para o espaço e depois, se quiser,

you can start going down the nonfiction  route further down the line if you like. pode começar a seguir a via da não-ficção mais adiante, se quiser.

Speaker 1 (03:25): By the way, quick thing, Orador 1 (03:25): Já agora, uma coisa rápida,

we've nearly hit 3 million subscribers on this  YouTube channel which is fricking insane. And so quase atingimos os 3 milhões de subscritores neste canal do YouTube, o que é uma loucura. E assim

to commemorate that milestone, we're going to be  doing a massive giveaway and all the details for Para comemorar esse marco, vamos fazer um grande sorteio e todos os detalhes para

that are going to be on my Instagram page. So  that'll be linked in the video description if que vão estar na minha página do Instagram. Por isso, a descrição do vídeo contém uma hiperligação se

you want to follow me on Instagram, that will  give you all the details closer to the time.

Speaker 1 (03:40): Yeah, back to the video. All right. So now

assuming you want to listen to nonfiction for the  sake of learning, that brings us onto step two,

which is selection. And really what we're trying  to do here is to select the right book. And my

philosophy here is having a very, very, very wide  net, but a very narrow filter. So by wide net,

I generally mean that my threshold for getting  a book on Audible or getting an audio book is

really, really low. Speaker 1 (03:58):

And so anytime, almost anytime I'll get a book  recommendation from a friend or I'll see a YouTube

video or a podcast or someone on Twitter who  I follow recommends a particular book, I would

just almost without thinking buy the audiobook  version of it because I know it's so easy for

me to listen to that audiobook and to at least  get a sample of what the real book is like.

Speaker 1 (04:13): And that helps me cast the net wide,

but then there's a narrow filter beyond that. So  usually at around the half an hour mark, half an

hour into the book, that's when I decide, okay,  is this book still continuing to be worth my time?

And is this a book that I actually want to listen  to all the way through or until I get bored or do

I just want to abandon it completely right now? Speaker 1 (04:28):

Now again, this might be controversial if you  are the sort of person that thinks a book is a

hallowed object and oh, an author has put in work  into this book, therefore, you are obligated to

watch the whole thing. But it's like you aren't  obligated to watch a whole movie just because

you started, you aren't obligated to read a whole  article or even to watch this whole YouTube video

just because you started. Speaker 1 (04:44):

Equally, you are absolutely not obligated to read  a book just because you bought it in physical book

or Kindle or audio book format. And to be honest,  now that I'm actually writing a book for myself,

I know how much work goes into the introduction  and the first two or three chapters initially

compared to the rest of the book, because every  publisher knows that most readers don't really

read beyond chapter three of a book. Speaker 1 (05:03):

And so really in nonfiction, generally what the  authors are doing is that they are front loading

all of the really good stuff in the introduction  in the first three chapters. And so if you don't

get a lot of value out of the introduction in the  first three chapters, you are probably not going

to then get amazing value out of the rest of the  book. And that's totally fine. That's not to say

the book sucks, but it is to say that some books  are just going to land with us better at different

parts of our life. Speaker 1 (05:22):

So maybe you can come back to that book further  down the line, or maybe it was more relevant

to you in your past. And that's totally fine,  nothing wrong with that, right? So at this point,

we've cast the net wide, we've got a narrow  filter and now we have an audiobook that

we're actually listening to all the way through,  which brings us to step three, consumption.

Speaker 1 (05:35): Now having done this for the last few

years and listened to over a hundred nonfiction  audiobooks that I've genuinely learned stuff from,

I've got four main tips to help you kind of learn  more efficiently as you are consuming audiobooks.

The first one is to actively choose the right  kind of multitasking activity that you want to do.

Most of us, when we're listening to audiobooks,  we don't just sit there and just listen to the

whole audiobook, we generally listen to  it while we're doing something else.

Speaker 1 (05:55): And the key thing here is that you

want to choose a multitasking activity that you  could do completely on autopilot. So for example,

if that's like cleaning the house or doing  the laundry, or driving to and from work,

these things that we do so often that we don't  really need to think about it because as soon as

you start doing anything, even vaguely cognitively  demanding, that is when the learning completely

goes out the window because really we want the  kind of learning part of our mind to be focused

on the audiobook rather than on how we're  going to get that crinkle out of our show.

Speaker 1 (06:20): Tip number two is to fiddle with

the speed to the point where it's fast enough, but  also comfortable enough to be able to absorb the

information and to learn it effectively. Now this  varies massively depending on A, the speed of the

narrator and also depending on the complexity  of the topic that you're trying to learn. Now,

broadly the nonfiction books I listen to fall  into three categories and depending on these three

categories, that dictates generally what kind  of speed I'm going to be comfortable listening

to the audiobook at. Speaker 1 (06:43):

The first one is kind of self-helpy  type books, which I'm defining as

I am listening to this book because I'm hoping to  gain principles or strategies and tools that I'm

actually going to apply to my life. So these are  generally things in the realm of pop psychology

or productivity or business or leadership or  management. The reason I'm reading these books

is because I want to apply stuff from them. Speaker 1 (07:01):

Now these are the books that I normally start  off listening to at 1.5 times speed. Basically

for every single narrator, one time speed is just  way too slow for me personally. Your knowledge may

vary. So I always start off at 1.5 and if I feel  that, okay, I'm getting the message and I can very

comfortably keep up with this, then I switch to  two times speed. Usually these sorts of books