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TED, Julia Galef: Why you think you're right — even if you're wrong

Julia Galef: Why you think you're right — even if you're wrong

0:11So I'd like you to imagine for a moment that you're a soldier in the heat of battle. Maybe you're a Roman foot soldier or a medieval archer or maybe you're a Zulu warrior. Regardless of your time and place, there are some things that are constant. Your adrenaline is elevated, and your actions are stemming from these deeply ingrained reflexes, reflexes rooted in a need to protect yourself and your side and to defeat the enemy.

0:41So now, I'd like you to imagine playing a very different role, that of the scout. The scout's job is not to attack or defend. The scout's job is to understand. The scout is the one going out, mapping the terrain, identifying potential obstacles. And the scout may hope to learn that, say, there's a bridge in a convenient location across a river. But above all, the scout wants to know what's really there, as accurately as possible. And in a real, actual army, both the soldier and the scout are essential. But you can also think of each of these roles as a mindset -- a metaphor for how all of us process information and ideas in our daily lives. What I'm going to argue today is that having good judgment, making accurate predictions, making good decisions, is mostly about which mindset you're in. 1:37To illustrate these mindsets in action, I'm going to take you back to 19th-century France, where this innocuous-looking piece of paper launched one of the biggest political scandals in history. It was discovered in 1894 by officers in the French general staff. It was torn up in a wastepaper basket, but when they pieced it back together, they discovered that someone in their ranks had been selling military secrets to Germany.

2:05So they launched a big investigation, and their suspicions quickly converged on this man, Alfred Dreyfus.He had a sterling record, no past history of wrongdoing, no motive as far as they could tell. But Dreyfus was the only Jewish officer at that rank in the army, and unfortunately at this time, the French Army was highly anti-Semitic. They compared Dreyfus's handwriting to that on the memo and concluded that it was a match, even though outside professional handwriting experts were much less confident in the similarity,but never mind that. They went and searched Dreyfus's apartment, looking for any signs of espionage.They went through his files, and they didn't find anything. This just convinced them more that Dreyfus was not only guilty, but sneaky as well, because clearly he had hidden all of the evidence before they had managed to get to it.

2:56Next, they went and looked through his personal history for any incriminating details. They talked to his teachers, they found that he had studied foreign languages in school, which clearly showed a desire to conspire with foreign governments later in life. His teachers also said that Dreyfus was known for having a good memory, which was highly suspicious, right? You know, because a spy has to remember a lot of things.

3:23So the case went to trial, and Dreyfus was found guilty. Afterwards, they took him out into this public square and ritualistically tore his insignia from his uniform and broke his sword in two. This was called the Degradation of Dreyfus. And they sentenced him to life imprisonment on the aptly named Devil's Island,which is this barren rock off the coast of South America. So there he went, and there he spent his days alone, writing letters and letters to the French government begging them to reopen his case so they could discover his innocence. But for the most part, France considered the matter closed.

4:02One thing that's really interesting to me about the Dreyfus Affair is this question of why the officers were so convinced that Dreyfus was guilty. I mean, you might even assume that they were setting him up, that they were intentionally framing him. But historians don't think that's what happened. As far as we can tell,the officers genuinely believed that the case against Dreyfus was strong. Which makes you wonder: What does it say about the human mind that we can find such paltry evidence to be compelling enough to convict a man?

4:35Well, this is a case of what scientists call "motivated reasoning." It's this phenomenon in which our unconscious motivations, our desires and fears, shape the way we interpret information. Some information, some ideas, feel like our allies. We want them to win. We want to defend them. And other information or ideas are the enemy, and we want to shoot them down. So this is why I call motivated reasoning, "soldier mindset. " 5:02Probably most of you have never persecuted a French-Jewish officer for high treason, I assume, but maybe you've followed sports or politics, so you might have noticed that when the referee judges that your team committed a foul, for example, you're highly motivated to find reasons why he's wrong. But if he judges that the other team committed a foul -- awesome! That's a good call, let's not examine it too closely. Or, maybe you've read an article or a study that examined some controversial policy, like capital punishment. And, as researchers have demonstrated, if you support capital punishment and the study shows that it's not effective, then you're highly motivated to find all the reasons why the study was poorly designed. But if it shows that capital punishment works, it's a good study. And vice versa: if you don't support capital punishment, same thing. 5:55Our judgment is strongly influenced, unconsciously, by which side we want to win. And this is ubiquitous.This shapes how we think about our health, our relationships, how we decide how to vote, what we consider fair or ethical. What's most scary to me about motivated reasoning or soldier mindset, is how unconscious it is. We can think we're being objective and fair-minded and still wind up ruining the life of an innocent man. 6:24However, fortunately for Dreyfus, his story is not over. This is Colonel Picquart. He's another high-ranking officer in the French Army, and like most people, he assumed Dreyfus was guilty. Also like most people in the army, he was at least casually anti-Semitic. But at a certain point, Picquart began to suspect: "What if we're all wrong about Dreyfus?" What happened was, he had discovered evidence that the spying for Germany had continued, even after Dreyfus was in prison. And he had also discovered that another officer in the army had handwriting that perfectly matched the memo, much closer than Dreyfus's handwriting. So he brought these discoveries to his superiors, but to his dismay, they either didn't care or came up with elaborate rationalizations to explain his findings, like, "Well, all you've really shown, Picquart, is that there's another spy who learned how to mimic Dreyfus's handwriting, and he picked up the torch of spying after Dreyfus left. But Dreyfus is still guilty." Eventually, Picquart managed to get Dreyfus exonerated. But it took him 10 years, and for part of that time, he himself was in prison for the crime of disloyalty to the army.

7:37A lot of people feel like Picquart can't really be the hero of this story because he was an anti-Semite and that's bad, which I agree with. But personally, for me, the fact that Picquart was anti-Semitic actually makes his actions more admirable, because he had the same prejudices, the same reasons to be biased as his fellow officers, but his motivation to find the truth and uphold it trumped all of that.

8:06So to me, Picquart is a poster child for what I call "scout mindset." It's the drive not to make one idea win or another lose, but just to see what's really there as honestly and accurately as you can, even if it's not pretty or convenient or pleasant. This mindset is what I'm personally passionate about. And I've spent the last few years examining and trying to figure out what causes scout mindset. Why are some people, sometimes at least, able to cut through their own prejudices and biases and motivations and just try to see the facts and the evidence as objectively as they can?

8:46And the answer is emotional. So, just as soldier mindset is rooted in emotions like defensiveness or tribalism, scout mindset is, too. It's just rooted in different emotions. For example, scouts are curious.They're more likely to say they feel pleasure when they learn new information or an itch to solve a puzzle.They're more likely to feel intrigued when they encounter something that contradicts their expectations.Scouts also have different values. They're more likely to say they think it's virtuous to test your own beliefs, and they're less likely to say that someone who changes his mind seems weak. And above all, scouts are grounded, which means their self-worth as a person isn't tied to how right or wrong they are about any particular topic. So they can believe that capital punishment works. If studies come out showing that it doesn't, they can say, "Huh. Looks like I might be wrong. Doesn't mean I'm bad or stupid. " 9:52This cluster of traits is what researchers have found -- and I've also found anecdotally -- predicts good judgment. And the key takeaway I want to leave you with about those traits is that they're primarily not about how smart you are or about how much you know. In fact, they don't correlate very much with IQ at all. They're about how you feel. There's a quote that I keep coming back to, by Saint-Exupéry. He's the author of "The Little Prince." He said, "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up your men to collect wood and give orders and distribute the work. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea. " 10:37In other words, I claim, if we really want to improve our judgment as individuals and as societies, what we need most is not more instruction in logic or rhetoric or probability or economics, even though those things are quite valuable. But what we most need to use those principles well is scout mindset. We need to change the way we feel. We need to learn how to feel proud instead of ashamed when we notice we might have been wrong about something. We need to learn how to feel intrigued instead of defensive when we encounter some information that contradicts our beliefs.

11:15So the question I want to leave you with is: What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs? Or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?

11:29Thank you.

11:30(Applause)

Julia Galef: Why you think you're right — even if you're wrong Julia Galef: Warum man denkt, dass man Recht hat - auch wenn man sich irrt Julia Galef: Por qué crees que tienes razón, aunque te equivoques Julia Galef: Perché pensi di avere ragione - anche se hai torto ジュリア・ガレフ自分が正しいと思う理由 - たとえ間違っていても Julia Galef: Waarom je denkt dat je gelijk hebt - zelfs als je het mis hebt Julia Galef: Dlaczego myślisz, że masz rację - nawet jeśli się mylisz? Julia Galef: Porque é que pensamos que temos razão - mesmo quando estamos errados Юлия Галеф: Почему вы считаете себя правым - даже если ошибаетесь 朱莉娅·加莱夫:为什么你认为自己是对的——即使你错了 朱莉婭·加萊夫:為什麼你認為自己是對的——即使你錯了

0:11So I'd like you to imagine for a moment that you're a soldier in the heat of battle. 0:11Chciałbym więc, abyś przez chwilę wyobraził sobie, że jesteś żołnierzem w ogniu walki. 0:11所以我想讓你想像一下,你是一名在激烈戰鬥中的士兵。 Maybe you're a Roman foot soldier or a medieval archer or maybe you're a Zulu warrior. 也許您是羅馬步兵或中世紀弓箭手,或者您是祖魯戰士。 Regardless of your time and place, there are some things that are constant. 無論何時何地,有些事情是不變的。 Your adrenaline is elevated, and your actions are stemming from these deeply ingrained reflexes, reflexes rooted in a need to protect yourself and your side and to defeat the enemy. Adrenalina jest podwyższona, a działania wynikają z głęboko zakorzenionych odruchów, odruchów zakorzenionych w potrzebie ochrony siebie i swojej strony oraz pokonania wroga. 你的腎上腺素會升高,你的行動源自於這些根深蒂固的反射,這些反射植根於保護自己和你的身邊並擊敗敵人的需要。

0:41So now, I'd like you to imagine playing a very different role, that of the scout. The scout's job is not to attack or defend. Le travail du scout n'est pas d'attaquer ou de défendre. The scout's job is to understand. The scout is the one going out, mapping the terrain, identifying potential obstacles. And the scout may hope to learn that, say, there's a bridge in a convenient location across a river. 偵察兵可能希望了解到,比如說,在河對面的便利位置有一座橋。 But above all, the scout wants to know what's really there, as accurately as possible. And in a real, actual army, both the soldier and the scout are essential. But you can also think of each of these roles as a mindset -- a metaphor for how all of us process information and ideas in our daily lives. What I'm going to argue today is that having good judgment, making accurate predictions, making good decisions, is mostly about which mindset you're in. 1:37To illustrate these mindsets in action, I'm going to take you back to 19th-century France, where this innocuous-looking piece of paper launched one of the biggest political scandals in history. It was discovered in 1894 by officers in the French general staff. 它於 1894 年被法國總參謀部的軍官發現。 It was torn up in a wastepaper basket, but when they pieced it back together, they discovered that someone in their ranks had been selling military secrets to Germany. 它被扔進廢紙簍裡撕碎,但當他們把它重新拼湊起來時,他們發現他們的隊伍中有人一直在向德國出售軍事機密。

2:05So they launched a big investigation, and their suspicions quickly converged on this man, Alfred Dreyfus.He had a sterling record, no past history of wrongdoing, no motive as far as they could tell. 2:05So they launched a big investigation, and their suspicions quickly converged on this man, Alfred Dreyfus.He had a sterling record, no past history of wrongdoing, no motive as far as they could tell. 2:05於是他們展開了大規模調查,他們的嫌疑很快集中在這個人身上,阿爾弗雷德·德雷福斯。他有著良好的記錄,沒有任何不當行為的歷史,據他們所知,沒有任何動機。 But Dreyfus was the only Jewish officer at that rank in the army, and unfortunately at this time, the French Army was highly anti-Semitic. 但德雷福斯是軍隊中唯一一個該級別的猶太軍官,但不幸的是,當時的法國軍隊是高度反猶太主義的。 They compared Dreyfus's handwriting to that on the memo and concluded that it was a match, even though outside professional handwriting experts were much less confident in the similarity,but never mind that. They compared Dreyfus's handwriting to that on the memo and concluded that it was a match, even though outside professional handwriting experts were much less confident in the similarity,but never mind that. They went and searched Dreyfus's apartment, looking for any signs of espionage.They went through his files, and they didn't find anything. They went and searched Dreyfus's apartment, looking for any signs of espionage.They went through his files, and they didn't find anything. This just convinced them more that Dreyfus was not only guilty, but sneaky as well, because clearly he had hidden all of the evidence before they had managed to get to it.

2:56Next, they went and looked through his personal history for any incriminating details. They talked to his teachers, they found that he had studied foreign languages in school, which clearly showed a desire to conspire with foreign governments later in life. His teachers also said that Dreyfus was known for having a good memory, which was highly suspicious, right? You know, because a spy has to remember a lot of things.

3:23So the case went to trial, and Dreyfus was found guilty. 3:23 於是案件進入審判階段,德雷福斯被判有罪。 Afterwards, they took him out into this public square and ritualistically tore his insignia from his uniform and broke his sword in two. Ensuite, ils l'ont emmené sur cette place publique et ont déchiré rituellement son insigne de son uniforme et ont cassé son épée en deux. This was called the Degradation of Dreyfus. 這被稱為德雷福斯的退化。 And they sentenced him to life imprisonment on the aptly named Devil's Island,which is this barren rock off the coast of South America. 他們判他終身監禁,關在“魔鬼島”,這個名字恰如其分,就是南美洲海岸附近的這片貧瘠岩石。 So there he went, and there he spent his days alone, writing letters and letters to the French government begging them to reopen his case so they could discover his innocence. But for the most part, France considered the matter closed. 但在大多數情況下,法國認為此事已經結束。

4:02One thing that's really interesting to me about the Dreyfus Affair is this question of why the officers were so convinced that Dreyfus was guilty. I mean, you might even assume that they were setting him up, that they were intentionally framing him. 我的意思是,你甚至可能認為他們在陷害他,故意陷害他。 But historians don't think that's what happened. As far as we can tell,the officers genuinely believed that the case against Dreyfus was strong. Which makes you wonder: What does it say about the human mind that we can find such paltry evidence to be compelling enough to convict a man? 這讓你想知道:我們能找到如此微不足道的證據足以令人信服地給一個人定罪,這說明了人類的思想是什麼?

4:35Well, this is a case of what scientists call "motivated reasoning." 4:35嗯,這是科學家所說的「動機推理」的例子。 It's this phenomenon in which our unconscious motivations, our desires and fears, shape the way we interpret information. Some information, some ideas, feel like our allies. 一些訊息,一些想法,感覺就像我們的盟友。 We want them to win. We want to defend them. And other information or ideas are the enemy, and we want to shoot them down. So this is why I call motivated reasoning, "soldier mindset. " 5:02Probably most of you have never persecuted a French-Jewish officer for high treason, I assume, but maybe you've followed sports or politics, so you might have noticed that when the referee judges that your team committed a foul, for example, you're highly motivated to find reasons why he's wrong. 5:02我想,你們中的大多數人可能從未以叛國罪迫害過法國猶太軍官,但也許你們關注過體育或政治,所以你們可能已經註意到,例如,當裁判判定你們的球隊犯規時,你會非常積極地尋找他錯誤的原因。 But if he judges that the other team committed a foul -- awesome! That's a good call, let's not examine it too closely. 這是一個很好的決定,我們不要太仔細地研究它。 Or, maybe you've read an article or a study that examined some controversial policy, like capital punishment. 或者,也許您讀過一篇文章或一項研究,探討了一些有爭議的政策,例如死刑。 And, as researchers have demonstrated, if you support capital punishment and the study shows that it's not effective, then you're highly motivated to find all the reasons why the study was poorly designed. But if it shows that capital punishment works, it's a good study. And vice versa: if you don't support capital punishment, same thing. 5:55Our judgment is strongly influenced, unconsciously, by which side we want to win. And this is ubiquitous.This shapes how we think about our health, our relationships, how we decide how to vote, what we consider fair or ethical. What's most scary to me about motivated reasoning or soldier mindset, is how unconscious it is. We can think we're being objective and fair-minded and still wind up ruining the life of an innocent man. 6:24However, fortunately for Dreyfus, his story is not over. This is Colonel Picquart. He's another high-ranking officer in the French Army, and like most people, he assumed Dreyfus was guilty. Also like most people in the army, he was at least casually anti-Semitic. 也像軍隊中的大多數人一樣,他至少是個隨意的反猶太主義者。 But at a certain point, Picquart began to suspect: "What if we're all wrong about Dreyfus?" What happened was, he had discovered evidence that the spying for Germany had continued, even after Dreyfus was in prison. And he had also discovered that another officer in the army had handwriting that perfectly matched the memo, much closer than Dreyfus's handwriting. So he brought these discoveries to his superiors, but to his dismay, they either didn't care or came up with elaborate rationalizations to explain his findings, like, "Well, all you've really shown, Picquart, is that there's another spy who learned how to mimic Dreyfus's handwriting, and he picked up the torch of spying after Dreyfus left. 因此,他將這些發現向上級匯報,但令他沮喪的是,他們要么不關心,要么提出精心設計的合理化解釋來解釋他的發現,比如,「好吧,皮卡爾,你真正展示的只是還還有另一個間諜。」他學會如何模仿德雷福斯的筆跡,並在德雷福斯離開後拿起了間諜的火炬。 But Dreyfus is still guilty." Eventually, Picquart managed to get Dreyfus exonerated. But it took him 10 years, and for part of that time, he himself was in prison for the crime of disloyalty to the army. 但這花了他10年的時間,其中有一段時間,他本人因對軍隊不忠而入獄。

7:37A lot of people feel like Picquart can't really be the hero of this story because he was an anti-Semite and that's bad, which I agree with. But personally, for me, the fact that Picquart was anti-Semitic actually makes his actions more admirable, because he had the same prejudices, the same reasons to be biased as his fellow officers, but his motivation to find the truth and uphold it trumped all of that. Mais personnellement, pour moi, le fait que Picquart était antisémite rend en fait ses actions plus admirables, car il avait les mêmes préjugés, les mêmes raisons d'être partial que ses collègues officiers, mais sa motivation à trouver la vérité et à la maintenir l'emportait. tout ça. 但就我個人而言,皮卡爾反猶太主義的事實實際上讓他的行為更令人欽佩,因為他和他的同事們有同樣的偏見,同樣的理由產生偏見,但他尋找真相並維護真相的動機勝過所有的。

8:06So to me, Picquart is a poster child for what I call "scout mindset." 8:06所以對我來說,皮夸特是我所說的「童子軍心態」的典型代表。 It's the drive not to make one idea win or another lose, but just to see what's really there as honestly and accurately as you can, even if it's not pretty or convenient or pleasant. This mindset is what I'm personally passionate about. And I've spent the last few years examining and trying to figure out what causes scout mindset. Why are some people, sometimes at least, able to cut through their own prejudices and biases and motivations and just try to see the facts and the evidence as objectively as they can?

8:46And the answer is emotional. So, just as soldier mindset is rooted in emotions like defensiveness or tribalism, scout mindset is, too. Ainsi, tout comme l'état d'esprit du soldat est enraciné dans des émotions comme la défensive ou le tribalisme, l'état d'esprit scout l'est également. It's just rooted in different emotions. For example, scouts are curious.They're more likely to say they feel pleasure when they learn new information or an itch to solve a puzzle.They're more likely to feel intrigued when they encounter something that contradicts their expectations.Scouts also have different values. They're more likely to say they think it's virtuous to test your own beliefs, and they're less likely to say that someone who changes his mind seems weak. 他們更有可能說他們認為檢驗自己的信念是有道德的,而他們不太可能說改變主意的人看起來很軟弱。 And above all, scouts are grounded, which means their self-worth as a person isn't tied to how right or wrong they are about any particular topic. 最重要的是,球探是腳踏實地的,這意味著他們作為一個人的自我價值與他們對任何特定主題的正確或錯誤無關。 So they can believe that capital punishment works. If studies come out showing that it doesn't, they can say, "Huh. Looks like I might be wrong. Doesn't mean I'm bad or stupid. " 9:52This cluster of traits is what researchers have found -- and I've also found anecdotally -- predicts good judgment. 9:52 研究人員發現,這群特徵預示著良好的判斷力,我也發現了一些軼事。 And the key takeaway I want to leave you with about those traits is that they're primarily not about how smart you are or about how much you know. In fact, they don't correlate very much with IQ at all. They're about how you feel. There's a quote that I keep coming back to, by Saint-Exupéry. 聖艾克蘇佩里的一句話讓我時常想起。 He's the author of "The Little Prince." He said, "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up your men to collect wood and give orders and distribute the work. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea. " 10:37In other words, I claim, if we really want to improve our judgment as individuals and as societies, what we need most is not more instruction in logic or rhetoric or probability or economics, even though those things are quite valuable. 10:37換句話說,我認為,如果我們真的想提高個人和社會的判斷力,我們最需要的不是更多的邏輯、修辭、機率或經濟學的指導,儘管這些東西非常有價值。 But what we most need to use those principles well is scout mindset. We need to change the way we feel. We need to learn how to feel proud instead of ashamed when we notice we might have been wrong about something. We need to learn how to feel intrigued instead of defensive when we encounter some information that contradicts our beliefs.

11:15So the question I want to leave you with is: What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs? Or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?

11:29Thank you.

11:30(Applause)