How important is repeated listening? Is continued listening equally valuable?

Paul_Russell us United States

I rather new to dedicated use of LingQ. I am currently using LingQ utilizing a combination of ebooks and audiobooks. Right now, thanks to generous gifting on my birthday, I have an embarrassment of riches: my listen/read list is contains well over a dozen book pairs, amounting to hundreds of hours of listening. (Including the Harry Potter and Dresden Files series in German)

Watching several of your (Steve's) Youtube videos and reading the related blogs, you talk about listening to the audio multiple times.

I'm not sure I have the patience to re-listen to a 6-20 hour book, even sliced into smaller chunks, multiple times. Is there any reason simply moving on to the next book after a listen/read (reading in LingQ while listening to Audible) would be a less rewarding educational experience?

If it matters, I am somewhere amidst B1/B2 in my reading level, and am comfortable with a higher percentage unknown than is generally recommended.

September 13 alle 15:51
  • ericb100 us United States

    I guess it depends on if you understand what you're listening to? Repetition helps if you're not understanding what you're listening to...or are having trouble making out the words being said. Repeating would help with matching the sound of the word to the German word and translation in your head.

    I think it makes sense to do repeated listenings to shorter material (under ten minutes). A full audio book probably doesn't make sense unless you just want to listen to it again for pleasure. However, you could repeatedly listen to a chapter over and over if you want to really get it practice on it. In my opinion though, I think it may be best to move on at some point as you start to "memorize" the story. It would seem that it's then best to move on and try to encounter words in different contexts.

    There can also be a difference in material you want to use strictly for entertainment vs. material to use for purposes of practicing.

    September 13 alle 16:51
    • myamzen sa Arabia Saudita

      I agree, I think what steve means by repeating is when you do not understand the words, when it ends and when the next one starts and all seems somehow fuzzy. But if you do understand then no need. and I have materials for repeated listening ( like mini stories) under 10 mins and others for pleasure of one time listening

      September 14 alle 09:50
      • evgueny40 ru Russia

        You are not quite right.

        If you would like just understand what you are reading and really understand 80% of the text, you needn't repeat listening.

        But if you really LEARN a new language and really want to remember the main words from the text, you need repeat listening and maybe even reading.

        September 14 alle 13:44
  • ftornay es Spagna

    Yes, continued listening is equally valuable. All you need is to expose yourself to content that you can _kinda_ understand. I have seldom listened to the same thing twice after I have reached an ok-ish level in a language, certainly long before I begin to read novels

    September 14 alle 18:18
    • Mikeonlingq ca Canada

      What I am curious about is how many times would you say the same lesson is to be repeated while continuing to create linqs and doing newer lessons?

      September 14 alle 23:54
      • ftornay es Spagna

        There's no set number, that's the point. Repeating the same lesson is not important per se. You could never repeat a single lesson and learn the language. Having said that, it's often convenient to go over lessons when you're starting because there's not so much content at that level and because it's very difficult to make sense of the text at that stage, so revisiting the same lesson helps but my advice is for you to do it as you find useful or convenient without trying to reach a certain number of reviews or adhere to a fixed schedule. Just find some content you'd like to work on everyday and mix up old and new content freely.

        September 15 alle 10:11
        • Mikeonlingq ca Canada

          By doing what you described, you find you learn and retain very much this way?

          September 15 alle 16:34
          • ftornay es Spagna

            I find that I acquire the language, which is the goal. My advice is not to focus too much on how many words you can remember, especially in the beginning. Building a large vocabulary is a long process and it requires patience. If you keep on exposing yourself to the language you'll end up mastering the vocabulary, along with the grammatical structures and word use.

            Make peace with the fact that you'll forget words again and again before you are able to recognize them and, even more, use them. That's just a fact of the process.

            Beginners often try to hammer in new words through a lot of repetition and explicit reviews of word lists. That doesn't work all that well and it doesn't keep you from forgetting a lot of those words.

            More seasoned language learners tend to focus on understanding the meaning of texts and audio input and don't try so hard to learn words by heart.

            Notice that I am not saying that repeated reviews or flash carding are bad. They can be helpful, particularly in the beginning stages for the reasons I mentioned above and I certainly use them myself. But they are not indispensable or particularly effective in the long run.

            The OP's question was specifically about how necessary it is for him to review the novels that he's currently reading. With such advanced and lengthy material I think that reviewing is particularly superfluous and that was the context of my reply.

            September 15 alle 16:55
            • Mikeonlingq ca Canada

              I understand and thank you for your reply.

              September 15 alle 21:48