We pushed some significant changes to the site today. We hope you like them!
New Look Forum
It has been a long time since we upgraded the Forum so we spent some time updating the look and feel. We also added the ability to respond to individual comments within a thread. This makes it possible for some users to go off on a tangent without affecting the whole thread! Not that this happens of course…! We have also added an ability to add forum moderators to help us watch the forum and prevent forum spam.
Manual Lesson Mode
We receive many requests for special tweaks to the functionality on the Lesson page depending on how people like to work on their lessons. Therefore, we have replaced Auto-Scroll Off mode with QuickLingQ Mode Off. When you turn off QuickLingQ mode, this will do the following:
Auto-scroll will be off When you create a LingQ the term will remain selected and you will see the yellow pane for that word in the dashboard or yellow popup in minimized view. Using the left and right arrow keys will move you from one highlighted word to the next highlighted word regardless of whether these words are blue or yellow.
You will find this control in the gear dropdown on the lesson page.
Enhanced Keyboard Shortcuts
We have added additional keyboard shortcuts to allow you to adjust a LingQ’s status. You can type 1-4, k or x for any yellow LingQs to change status, make words known (status 4 with tickmark) or ignore words.
90-Day Challenge back by popular demand
So many of you enjoyed the Challenge and continue to request a new challenge that we have decided to make it a permanent fixture of the site. You can now sign up for the Challenge at any time and then try to meet your targets for the following 90 days. We have even made it a little easier by removing the requirement to write and speak, although we still think you should! However, you can now earn your reward by just meeting your Known Words, LingQs, LingQs Learned, Listening and Reading targets.
Sign up for the Challenge here or click on the banner on the Learn page above your Progress Snapshot.
As always, let us know if you find any issues and tell us how you like our updates!
It's supposed to be your activity apple which represents how active you are on the site. It looks like it is not quite working properly, however, since it should match the apple showing on your avatar picture.
I'm glad that the 90 day challenge is here. When I return to the United States on Saturday, I'll probably start it for Portuguese (hopefully I can finish up the duolingo tree during my long journey back). Also, a small bug, but my languages and word counts are showing up on your name.
Personally I find the information about the poster above the post a bit distracting. It disturbs my reading flow. That is my first impression. I would prefer to have it in a column on the left under the picture.
Pressing Enter should make a new row and not post immediately the post. That happened to me just yet with this post.
@Vera - I don't mind the info although it does take a bit of getting used to. We do need to replace the spellchecker and we will look at the Enter issue and creating new lines. For now, if you hit shift+enter, it creates a line break.
This pressing shift+enter thing has actually become quite normal in the last few years. It takes some time to get used to though and maybe isn't good for a forum. I think it is mostly used for chat programs where most things people type are only one or two sentences. I am fine with it either way.
Hey! Since our stats are on display... I will just have to get my Chinese stats up to date now! :)~~ More serious: the keyboard shortcuts look great, thanks! Talk about coincidences, I started my self-Chinese Challenge earlier today. How funny! So I just went & signed up here
I think the stats display are a subtle way to motivate people, which isn't a bad thing. Also probably good for a subtle brag as well. For me, well, I don't use lingq like that so I will forever be a newbie...
The only reason I have any stats at all is because, one day, I was bored, and wanted to bust my little guy out of his egg...true story.
Doesn't work for me since the update. I'll send an email to support address with the details.
Thanks for trying to improve the forum pages. However, I am not sure where to write this. I could not reply to a post so I have put it here. I agree with Vera's comment about the enter button. Now all my sentences run together. The enter button should take one to the next line. And now the most recent post is at the bottom of the list. How long does a topic continue to be discussed before a string of posts becomes unwieldy? Is it necessary to have my stats on this page? Anyone who wants to know how few words I know in French or Russian can easily find out by clicking on my name. And what happened to Norwegian? I find these stats add a bit of confusion to the page anyway.
It is now impossible to follow the line of posts because there are too many.
To find the new posts is much too hard. What about threads with 10 pages? How will one find the new posts well hidden on the third or fourth page because the post was a comment to a post. To be honest I dislike the way how the forum is working now. I liked the linear form much more.
Another issue: I was not able to make the input box bigger. This makes it difficult to write longer texts.
It is more worse than I thought. You have to scroll down all the way to the end of the thread. My long finger feels pain when he is thinking about how often I have to scroll now. I dislike this on the exchange, but here it is much more inconvenient.
Wenn es schlimm ist, LingQ kann es immer noch schlimmer! Wenn man ausgeloggt ist, sieht man nur den 1. Beitrag, dann ist Ende. Und wenn man eingeloggt ist, scrollt man sich den Finger wund. Ich bin erst einmal weg ... echt schlimm. Schade, schade, anscheinend lieben die Programmierer so etwas, aber nicht die wirklichen Benutzer!
To be honest, I don't think this update for the forum is going to work. The old simple linear, page-by-page view was perfectly fine and didn't need to be updated. This new system doesn't seem appropriate for a forum like this.
I quite like seeing the stats above people's posts though.
It's really bad... I wonder if this was really intended... was it tested on a long thread at least? Using PgDn is a bit less painful than scrolling, but still painful enough. I wonder if it is a measure to prevent us from procrastinating... forget the forum, study languages! :)
Colin wrote:A new post has been added by ColinJohnstone:
To be honest, I don't think this update for the forum is going to work. The old simple linear, page-by-page view was perfectly fine and didn't need to be updated. This new system doesn't seem appropriate for a forum like this. He is right! Maybe my answer is on the wrong place.But I do not understand how the new Lingq forum works. I think best would be to take a break from the forum.j :-(.
Steve, I don't understand how that should attract someone. For me it is distracting because the line of posts get lost.
I heartily agree. Jolanda has said exactly the kind of thing I had planned on saying. I loved the forum as it was. We have had some great laughs together and some very intelligent conversations. Now it is a mess. Until sanity returns to the format, I am out of here.
Ginko doesn't just consume ridiculous quantities of German words, she also makes a lot of sense. This newest complication of the forum was unnecessary and makes it much worse than it was before. The simple linear setup was much better.
I absolutely agree. This kind of change on the forum was unnecessary. What the forum has needed was a better search function, but the search is more worse than ever. Before I could search in ONE forum only, and I could search in-between the last 2 weeks, the last month, the last 3 month etc. Now I can only search for a word. The search field is well hidden on the forum overview page.
Sorry guys, you should admit that giving up the linear form is a disaster. Or can you really wholehearted say it works better? Especially without email notifications it is horrible!!!
Is there one member who likes the new forum better? All the "heavy" posters have shown their disappreciation as far as I can see. Come on! Be honest and accept that this doesn't work. Give us the linear forum back!
Vera, Ginko, Yolanda...you're so right! Pity I couldn't wave a magic wand like some sort of "restore-point" to undo the changes !!
It's probably fair to say that I'm almost always supportive of LingQ changes in more than a year - but I absolutely hate this one.
1 I used the email link to get to this thread, but it just placed me at the heading post, not directly after the current post.
2 When I attempted to scroll down to search for Vera's post, I just got the endlessly-scrolling symbol, which didn't change, even after several minutes.
3 When I used the general Forum link instead & clicked on the relevant thread, it automatically put me at the top of the header
4 clicking on the person's name didn't bring me to the individual's last post, either.
5 I don't mind the language stats etc displayed - it is a bright, fresh new look - but I want to be automatically placed at the last post like we did before
6 Yes, the 2-line typing box is inconvenient - I have to keep scrolling just to see what I've written. I'm more incoherent than usual :)~
7 I have too many emails cluttering up my in-box now, & I have to take notice of the volume as my webmail fills up too often. Before, we just received email notifications for when we weren't logged in. Now we get everything under the sun.
8 It seems after our first edit, we lose our place, and have to search for the typing box to edit!
Yep, that's the case:) I hit the 'edit' button, and found myself in the middle of the page, and had to scroll around looking for my typing box.
I have just click 'unwatch' this thread. The idea of the new look forum is beautiful in theory, but in practice it has turned out to be a well-aimed shot in the foot, I fear. A positive: it will stop me from over-posting!
Just an update on this! We pushed a few fixes today including:
- Full list of posts will now show for threads on the forum - Known Words totals at the top of the thread will now show for the original poster - "Watch Thread" option now updates immediately without having to refresh the page - Country flags are showing up properly now on the forum - Updates to targets for 90-Day Challenge tab on Progress Snapshot
Please note that this weekend is a long weekend in Vancouver (Monday is a holiday), and some of the team will be away tomorrow and Monday, but we'll put you all in the hands of our trusty new Moderators, and will continue collecting feedback, fixing issues and adding more improvements next week!
Especially for this post the email link hasn't worked. And this doesn't help at all members who watch the forums on the forum only. I do this for some forums because the number of emails from LingQ is very huge for me.
Before it was very easy to open a topic again that you've read before. Maybe you go to bed at 10pm. In the afternoon you want to check what the new posts to this thread are. You have no email notification because you don't want to get so many emails. Before you were leaded to the last post. You scrolled up until 10PM and then you could follow the line. Now you can't.
By the way, the small input box where I can only see two lines is still annoying.
We will continue to work on the forum to make it better. The email notification is working for me most of the time. Clicking on the active threads link also works fine. The small edit box is something we should work on changing, but this will all have to happen next week.
I think it will be difficult to come back and read a specific forum and hope to spot all comments as it gets long and different tangents are taken. That is a potential drawback of the current format. The emails are really the only way to make sure you miss nothing and can click through to those posts you want to respond to. That is the nature of the new forum approach. I think we just have to get used to it now and how best to follow what we would each like to follow.
I see the Capcha every time I post an answer. Very annoying. When not logged in, I see only the first post of a thread.
I don't like the emails. And a have to enter another Captcha. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Yes, the email links now end in the post extension so they take you right to the post from the email instead of to the last post in the thread like they did before. This is how we want these links to behave and they are set up correctly. They seem to be working perfectly for me. you may have to wait half a second after the page initially loads to be taken to the correct spot. Please be patient.
That is how it was behaving yesterday. I tried again, clicked on the link in the email with your previous post, a Firefox tab opened in the top post and I waited more than a minute. It stayed right there on the first post.
Hi, Mark, it's been 12 hrs since you said the email links end up in the post extension - but I just get stuck on the header, and nothing changes, even if I wait for 10 minutes. I have a good connection speed anyhow. Also, I agree with Vera - emails don't show corrected posts. Plus, if I directly use the Forum thread link (rather than email link) or even click on the last poster's name, I still get taken to the header. Cheers Kudos only for the fresh new look:)
Another thing that is awkward about using this new Forum system is that clicking on a link on the right hand side of this page leads to the head contribution of a thread instead of to the contribution that is highlighted in the link.
I like the nested threads too. I always found it hard to connect the dots with the linear style. But I note that in FF 31, when you click the name of the poster, it just stays at the top of the thread and you have to scroll down. When you are logged out and you click the name of the poster, you hang with just the original post.
"If you click on the title of the thread, it takes you to that thread. If you click on the name of the poster, it takes you to that post in the thread."--mark Now, if you click on the title, it also takes you to the post in the thread. I like this change.
@Mark: This post of Yutaka is a great example for what I've writen above. In the email that I got was only what Mark has said. The last sentence is missing because Yutake hit accidentally ENTER when I wanted starting a new line. You cannot trust only the email notifications if you want to make sure you've read what the poster want to express.
That is true but the notifications function exactly as they did before. If somebody edited their post previously, it also wasn't in the email. But, now you can click through and go right to that comment to see everything that person said. Previously, if a forum was active, you might have to search a few pages of responses to find that exact post.
It hasn't worked for me since the changes came in. I had to use Ctrl F (Find) command then type in your words "I have clicked on numerous posters.." just to find you! :) Anyone reading this in an email, just use the Ctrl + F hint to open the search box at top of your page, lol
To Mark and Yukata's most recent comments: The links do not work properly for me either. Mark and Yukata's and now Vera
I don't know what I hit when I was trying to do 's in Vera's, but my last message got posted accidentally before I finished it. My emails from this forum are going crazy, I cannot find the message in the forum ...
I'm compleately perplexed with these many suggestions of 'reply'. Why I have to answer the certain person instead of participating in the general discussion?.. When it was a 'chain' of replies, it had more sense. That's why I mostly just avoid to participate in such 'new forum' which is artificially devided now in many private parts.
Vera, sorry for writing more than just "new" in the other post. I think give it a chance for a start. I think if they collapsed/hid individual responses/replies, as a default, it would a be really good forum format. Same as the old, but less likely to derail, and more likely to foster side conversation.
iaing, first my impression was positive too. I like the fresh look a lot. I get disctracted by the languages and known words information, because it disctracts my reading, but I can live with it. What I figured out later, when more posts were written with the new system is, that I was not able to follow the discussion any longer because there were too many branches. I got absolutely lost. And you cannot find the new posts. Sometimes I want to follow a thread without subscribing and partizipating in the discussion. This is not possible any longer.
iang wrote on the other thread "Vera, I know you will delete this. And that's ok. But - if they collapsed/hid individual responses/replies, as a default, it would a be really good forum format. Same as the old, but less likely to derail, and more likely to foster side conversation. I could have a side conversation with Julz without fear of being deleted. You could have your thread format intact. Everyone wins. Why choose everyone loses option? Go ahead - delete."
I've two problem with that. First I wonder why it is so difficult to follow the simple advice to comment on THIS thread only. Second, I really want to read all the sidekicks etc. I get not distracted by them and sometimes they are quite interesting. But it is impossible now, because I cannot figure out what is new and read it in a linear way. Now I would have to start each time from the beginning and watch the time when a post was made to figure out if it is new or not.
About 9 minutes ago you posted a reply (which ended up towards the middle of this thread) in which you said a (previous) e-mail link didn't work again. Well, I tried to read your contribution from the forum just now by clicking on your name. It didn't lead me anywhere but to Mark's original post. The link set up is definitely not stable.
(I wasn't lying! Suddenly, after about 4 minutes or so, I was chucked back into this thread, up to your comment which I had tried to link into (see first paragraph of this). This shows that the set-up does work but that it takes an inordinate amount of time to function (and it has thrown me out of another post I was about to read.)
The update looks good from a glance, but I think it has a lot of issues to sort out.
Being able to reply to individual posts is a great idea, but they should definitely be hidden by default and have to be opened through the click of a button, because all these branching posts are impossibly confusing and threads are much harder to read.
I also haaate infinite scrolling. It's nearly impossible to find particular posts in long threads and new posts in long threads will remain forever buried. Also I just think infinite scrolling is a horrible idea anywhere anyway. Bring back pages!
The comment box should also expand as we write in it... it's annoying to only be able to see two lines and makes it more difficult to formulate a comment.
Also -- not related to the update, but just a suggestion: have you guys ever thought about implementing basic formatting? Bold, italics, underline, embedded picture and video... those would be great features to have^^
Edit: Hey, you can no longer give a rose to your own post! That's great, I no longer have to fear missclicking and looking like a narcissist :D
Yup, there are some issues to resolve, but overall I like the ability respond directly. Remember that these changes were in response to many criticisms of our previous forum. We are moving forward, not backward, so we will address the issues that remain.
I think we can all agree that there have been many excellent updates to the website and it only seems like we complain about all the updates because we are more likely to discuss things that we don't like. When something is improved, people probably won't write about it in the forum, or maybe will just write a quick 'nice update' post.
Whether or not the forum will be better or worse after this update, I honestly don't know. I was initially very skeptical, but now I guess I just have to wait and see. I liked the old setup more than the new one. Anyway, there are more important issues than the forum.
"Anyway, there are more important issues than the forum."
Such as that annoying 'congratulations' box that appears every time I finish a lesson. Seeing this box is starting to get very tedious. It might be nice for beginners, but I have probably completed well over a thousand lessons by now, and I don't need to be congratulated every time I finish one more.
Colin wrote:"Anyway, there are more important issues than the forum."
Such as that annoying 'congratulations' box that appears every time I finish a lesson. Seeing this box is starting to get very tedious. It might be nice for beginners, but I have probably completed well over a thousand lessons by now, and I don't need to be congratulated every time I finish one more. " *I think: it would be nice if we could delete this function. bdw I miss the spell checker. j;-)
I can't say I like the new threaded approach to the forum. This is not LingQ specific, I never liked this approach. However, I do remember one forum where you could choose between "flat" and "threaded" so this may be a way to keep everybody happy. As others have mentioned I do find the stats clutter the page somewhat, perhaps if they were placed on the left under the user's photo it would be less distracting. I would agree with those who say the edit box is too small, and the whole shift+enter thing is not very user friendly. Infinite scroll seems to be ok, but I wonder how well it will work with a really long topic. Not sure what was wrong with the old forum TBH...
I can't remember the discussion about the old forum, but there was a lot of criticism. We resisted doing anything because we felt that it was a distraction from more important issues. Now that we have started this process I think it is best to continue, to fix obvious bugs and to make improvements that reflect the concerns that are being raised. We will not be able to start doing this until Tuesday Vancouver time. Meanwhile, all feedback is appreciated.
No, worries. I'm sure that in time it'll get refined so that it's pretty slick. It's just a little bump to get over. It's good that you guys are constantly working to improve the site. I can appreciate to a certain extent you are in a no win situation with everybody wanting something different!
In a parallel thread, the 'referendum' one, a certain member from Japan has written "the dichotomy is irrelevant". I am beginning to feel the same. I suspect we shall have to learn to live with (manipulate?) the new system. I am beginning to get a feel for it and how to use the way I want to. (This does not mean I am enamoured of it!!!)
Don't worry, we've got plans to continue to improve the new forum, and all the feedback is helping a lot in this regard!
The 'Scroll to see more' thing is very awkward and does not work on my iPad in Ethiopia. I had no trouble going back to old pages, but with the scroll-down not functioning, I cannot see more than the first two posts, even though I wait for half an hour or more. The scroll-down does work on the computer, but I still would rather have the old pages and linear view.