Full stop of the forum!
evgueny40 1720 70018 5766
I've opened the forum and I was surprised- only adds of the black magic specialist from India!..
He is mad!..
He can't understand that we are here to study languages and not to use all these adds!
What to do with all this spam?!
July 2014
  • gregf 8008 25781 253
    The ads* must have been deleted, because I'm not seeing them here.

    * The generally accepted (albeit somewhat informal) abbreviation for "advertisements" is "ads" and not "adds". </end grammar nerd>
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    I googled one of the telephone numbers in the spam. I found that LingQ was not their only target. Who were they? Were they employed by 'astrologers'?
    July 2014
  • evgueny40 1720 70018 5766
    Yes Gregf, thanks, of course: 'ads'.
    But I was too excited and too upset to think about the spelling.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @all - Really sorry for the trouble. I guess this spammer seems particularly determined. We've removed the accounts and will continue to monitor this.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    This spammer manually posted one or two new threads per minute.
    July 2014
  • evgueny40 1720 70018 5766
    The same starts again!.. Can you see all these ads?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    Yes, you can't miss it. I'm sure Alex will soon take care off this. But it is not easy to stop this kind of Spam when it is done manually like in this case.

    I don't know why Spam works at all. When nobody would click on these links and buy something afterwards that it becomes absolutely worthless, spaming in general would stop soon. But as long as only a very small percentage of people buy something from these links all the other people will get such Spam.
    July 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 36885 2525 2593
    Sorry again. We have removed this person for now. Hopefully, they will get tired of this soon.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    I wonder whether the astrology industry in India is in fierce competition.
    Country code 91 means India.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    There are several phone numbers in the recent spam. Do they belong to the same so-called astrologer, or do they belong to different or competing experts in the same industry?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    "According to sources, the ministry pondered whether the PUNISHMENT to spammers would be done after verifying the nature of the spam attack, that is, whether the act of spamming was done inadvertently or on purpose."

    Legislation against spammers soon, computer networking news
    http://www.karnikaseth.com/legislation-against-...
    July 2014
  • iaing 27678
    Listen up spammers.

    If you disturb Yutaka-san's favourite forum, then trouble will come looking for you.
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    @Yutaka "This spammer manually posted one or two new threads per minute."
    Imagine if he were creating lingqs, he'd be faster than Steve!
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    SanneT 487 343
    If the spammers were not just idiots, imagine how their conscience will plague them after a time: their black magic will come to haunt them!

    (I remember that last year I made a very snide comment to an - admittedly annoying - member here. I had just had some bad news and reading the post made me explode. I still feel bad about it! Later I sent him 500 points to experience a tutoring session with someone, but understandably never heard from him/her again. So, if you read this: apologies!!!!)
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    Spammers strike again!
    July 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 36885 2525 2593
    Thanks for letting us know! a
    July 2014
  • dooo 0 21 9383
    All references to astrology have been removed from LingQ.
    July 2014
  • dooo 0 21 9383
    baba ji strikes again!!!
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    Seriously, isn't there any way to stop this bastard?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    It has been suggested previously that people should not be able to post on the forum within a short time of signing up. The objection was that it would be bad for newbies who are lost and need help. I suggested that a good solution would be to make the time period in which people cannot post very short, like a few minutes. This would at least slow down the spammers.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    The spammers continued posting one or two new 'threads' per minute. "Recently Active Threads" was flooded with their unsightly threads that included only one post.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    I wonder whether or not they change their E-mail addresses very often.
    In addition, when they register their E-mail address with LingQ, do they use their real one?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Are the telephone numbers in the spam really intended to get calls from prospective customers? If that is the case, they are doing futile things. Poor old astrologer!
    July 2014
  • Dobie42 444
    looks like i can't procrastinate on the forums now...
    July 2014
  • evgueny40 1720 70018 5766
    Maybe we have to introduce again the letters and numbers before we can write something in the forum.
    Perhaps this additional obstacle can stop these mad people who place here their stupid ads?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Are the spammers procrastinating, or are they diligently spamming to get money from 'astrologers'?
    July 2014
  • Dobie42 444
    yutaka, the spammers are definitely trying to get money, but by blocking up the forums with their constant ads, they are preventing me from procrastinating and reading every topic under "recently active" column before finally opening my lessons and learning a thing of two.

    I don't even understand how mr black magic found LingQ anyway...
    July 2014
  • Dobie42 444
    oh, well now it looks like his account was deleted. Thank you admin :)
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    I don't know why they continue doing that because within minutes their posts were deleted. Mark asked me if I could help while the Canadians are sleeping, and I agreed and I've deleted about 200 threads since yesterday. I deleted about 30 threads from the last 15 minutes! They must be really stupid because they should recognize that it is worthless what they are doing.

    The problem is that they use different users and email addresses. Otherwise it would be easy. I have only permission to delete forum threads now, I cannot delete a user - and I don't want to ;)

    Adding a captcha would slow them done, but not only them. This would affect all of us.

    LingQ has to find an intelligent way to stop them from spamming. If I were they I would probably create rules like:
    - User that have signed up less than 3 days ago for a FREE account have a Captcha.
    - These users have only permission for 2 or 3 threads per hour.
    - Users that have spammed should be blocked immediately.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    @Dobie42: As I wrote above I've not the rights to delete the accounts (it was more than one), but I've deleted these threads.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Thank you, VeraI.
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    @Vera:
    "- User that have signed up less than 3 days ago for a FREE account have a Captcha.
    - These users have only permission for 2 or 3 threads per hour.
    - Users that have spammed should be blocked immediately."
    ---

    I agree, these are good suggestions, IMO.

    To be honest, I don't see why new basic level members should be allowed to create more than one thread per day - at least not during the first week of their membership. Also, one could perhaps limit new basic level members to (say) 25 forum posts per day during their first week?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    The rule should be simple.
    If they register a false email address with LingQ, stopping them from getting a LingQ account might be easy.
    I don't know whether it is necessary for us to prove the existence of the email address when we get an account on LingQ.
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    @Yutaka

    It's true - if new users had to confirm their e-mail address, it would stop the use of fake e-mails.

    (Still, a really determined spammer might set up a large number of e-mail accounts, I guess? But it would probably make things more difficult for him/her.)
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    You can't use the same email more than once and a confirmation email is sent, and only after the email has been confirmed is the account activated.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    It takes a minute only to create a new e-mail account.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    This time it has stopped after 6 threads. Maybe they got tired ...
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    Another idea to stop these spammers: Give Premium members the option to flag people as spammers. If 2 or 3 members have done this, then let this user not post on the forum any longer. An administrator can check this later and delete this member or delete the flag.
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    @Vera - I don't think flagging spammers will be very effective, it seems too slow to me. What we need is a fast way to delete the forum threads and the users accounts, as fast as they appear in the forum. Perhaps this way they get tired.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    Fernanda, if you and I would flag the spammer as soon as we see the thread and flag the spammer, he would be blogged. That could work quite fast.

    Unfortunately there is no automatically way to delete the forum threads. I do this manually and I have to be very attentive. I've deleted 6 more threads since my last post. I think if more users could help, it would be faster. Yesterday when I had dinner (30 minutes only!) 30 threads were generated. Other users were online at this time and could have stopped him. I get no notification that there is a new spammer. I have to refresh the forum all the time. This is very ineffetive. That is why I had the idea about the flag.
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    @Vera - perhaps I misunderstood your suggestion - if flagging users as spammers means they would automatically be blocked, that would be great. I thought flagging would just send a warning to the support people, and in that case it would be too slow.

    I don't mind helping delete forum threads - if the admins trust me enough to do that. I spend a lot of time on the computer or come here quite often.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    My suggestion is not to give permission to one Premium member only. But if 2 or 3 paying members flags a member then he should be blogged.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    SanneT 487 343
    I am sure there are a few more of us who'd be able/willing to help.
    July 2014
    • Moderator
      VeraI de Germany 18587 2664 651
      Jetzt gehörst Du ja auch zum Moderatorenkreis :) Jetzt fühle ich mich nicht mehr so allein. Schön!
      July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    They should have given me the responsibility to delete the spam. I would happily spend my days deleting astrology.
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    @Colin

    Why? Aren't astronomers and astrologers the same thing then??

    (I just heard a roar of anguished pain and rage which reached all the way to here from Vienna! :-D)
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    SanneT 487 343
    @Prinz Normally, I would have given your last comment a rose, but it is Sunday and you are being mean :)
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    I miss the spammers. They gave us a sense of unity and enabled us to form a community of unhappiness.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    Anyone in Vienna reading this thread now knows what caused that thunder storm a few minutes ago!
    July 2014
  • dooo 0 21 9383
    Baba ji?
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Spammer: vkshastri
    Ask Your Tutor forum
    Two spam posts

    His or her posts were deleted (by someone).
    July 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 36885 2525 2593
    Thank you Vera for your efforts moderating this weekend. We are going to figure out how best to deal with this issue on Monday. We very likely will want to enlist more of you to help us moderate these forums. Stay tuned.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    It's been a pleasure. As you know you can count on me!
    It seems that we have stopped him now, but I guess it is sleeping time in India.
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    Even a spammer has to sleep sometime.
    :)
    July 2014
  • [[nd71]] 889 0 0
    Gute Arbeit, hoffentlich findest du noch Zeit zum Sprachenlernen. Wenn es mehr Spammer werden, würde ich mit LingQ eine Provision aushandeln... ;-)
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Does 'baba' mean a 'father' or a 'holy man'?
    婆(ばば, baba) in Japanese means a grandmother or an old lady.
    爺(じじ, jiji) in Japanese means a grandfather or an old mam.

    Don't call me jiji. You are not my grandchildren.
    July 2014
  • mfr 2782 1588 95
    "Ali Baba and the Forty Spammers"
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Spammer: mamathakur54
    Open Forum on LingQ
    Eight spam posts

    He or she uses the same username in several BBS systems other than the LingQ forum to post the same ad.
    July 2014
  • Ozemite 100 3553 561
    @Yutaka - I will shoot anybody who calls me "伯母さん"! ...and I'm not talking about 'Aunt'! :)~
    July 2014
  • Paule89 6744 3518 27
    @Julz&Yutaka

    I love how "oba-san" means "aunt" and "obaa-san" means "grandma". The older the person, the longer the vowel.^^
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    @Colin

    Just think, if you had gotten lost on your first day at university, and had ended up at the St Andrews Astrological Guild instead of the Science Dept of the university, you could now be taking six-figure sums from the NHS in exchange for telling Mrs Bleggins of 67 Carlthorpe Ave that her dodgy hip will play her up less on Wednesdays and Saturdays...!

    I reckon you missed a trick! :-D
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    I realised that a few years ago when I had a look at the website for the psychic Sylvia Browne, who was at the time charging 700 dollars for 20 minute psychic readings over the phone. Despite the shortness of the phone calls, the waiting list for these readings was so long that she was booked out for over a year!

    Anyway, I guess her subscriber list went down a bit when Amanda Berry, along with two other women, was found in the basement of some Cleveland house, having been kidnapped in 2003 and held prisoner for ten years. In 2004, Sylvia Browne told Amanda Berry's mother that she was dead.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Spammer: rishijshastri
    Open Forum on LingQ
    "world famous gold medlist MOHIT BANGALI baba solve any problem in our life" I wonder whether the 'gold medalist' is pulling the strings.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Department of Telecommunications, Government of India
    http://www.dot.gov.in/
    I hope that they will contact the owners of the telephone numbers in the spam.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Spammer: ffshiv016
    Open Forum on LingQ

    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    I've deleted the posts from http://www.lingq.com/profile/ffshiv016/

    @Yutaka: I don't know if it is a good idea to post the phone numbers. Maybe they search with Google at which forums they can still find the numbers and think they are successful here. We should wait for the solution of the LingQ stuff that stops them.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    @VeraI
    Thank you. I see.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @Yukata - Thanks, these should be gone now. We'll be implementing a new solution hopefully tomorrow that will put a full stop to the spam, not the forum :)
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    Thank you, Alex.
    July 2014
  • jolanda 38177 23820 13845
    @Vera
    Warum schreibst Du diesen Link im Forum und nicht direkt an den Support?
    Ich sehe keine Logik!

    j:-(
    July 2014
  • Prinz_Skogsvin 6511 13 2004
    Back yet again!

    What motivates somebody to do this??
    July 2014
  • jolanda 38177 23820 13845
    @Vera
    Wau!
    Du hast jetzt den Titel "Moderator".
    Gratulation!
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    @Jolanda: Ja, damit ich die Threads der Spammer löschen kann. Nichts besonderes ;)
    July 2014
  • jolanda 38177 23820 13845
    @Vera

    Wenn Du Internetanschluss hast,hast Du doch auch Zugang zu dem Mails.

    Für mich bleibt es ein Rätsel.
    Das ist wohl nur für Spezialisten verständlich.

    Bis jetzt habe ich mich immer direkt an den Support gemeldet, und bekam jeweils ungehend verdankende Antwort.Egal zu welcher Tages oder Nachtzeit.Das erübrigt sich jetzt natürlich.


    j.-(
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    The last eight spammers' accounts still exist on LingQ.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    "Ja, damit ich die Threads der Spammer löschen kann."

    Vera is the LingQ army panzer division.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    @Colin: Also schön nett zu mir sein ;)
    July 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 36885 2525 2593
    Thanks Vera and Yutaka. All those accounts are gone now.
    July 2014
  • heschuck 7987
    I have been on LingQ Spanish for months and just started German. Sorry to ask such a basic question but when you save a German noun as a LingQ in vocabulary, is the gender recorded and visible or do I have to look them up in a dictionary. Thanks.
    July 2014
  • Moderator
    ColinJohnstonov 52700 1 7605
    Nah, the gender is only recorded if you put it into the hint yourself or it is in the user hint you are saving.
    July 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 36885 2525 2593
    Thanks all. We should deal with these guys with our update later today. We have some other interesting things coming as well...!
    July 2014
    • [[nd71]] aw Aruba 889 0 0
      Interesting? No, the forum is now horrible! Does nobody see this in advance? This is now a scrolling orgy...
      July 2014
      • [[nd71]] aw Aruba 889 0 0
        Ich sehe gerade: ich kann mir nicht mehr selbst eine Rose schenken....
        July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    July 2014
    • Moderator
      SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
      A golden apple and eagle-eyed!
      July 2014
      • Moderator
        Yutaka jp Japan 15406 1621
        eagle-eyed?
        July 2014
        • Moderator
          SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
          Able to spot a spammer a mile away!
          July 2014
          • Moderator
            Yutaka jp Japan 15406 1621
            I see.
            July 2014
            • Moderator
              SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
              I told you, you see! (I am posting this to test the nesting capabilities of this sub-discussion.)
              July 2014
  • Moderator
    Yutaka 15406 1621
    August 2014
    • Moderator
      VeraI de Germany 18587 2664 651
      As a moderator you don't need to post him here. Just reject his thread. Then the support gets an notification. Hasn't Mark explained how it works to you?
      August 2014
      • mfr pt Portugal 2782 1588 95
        The link in my email is taking me again to the top of the thread, and so does the link in the Recently Active Threads:
        http://www.lingq.com/forum/2/32775/last/
        August 2014
        • Administrator
          mark ca Canada 36885 2525 2593
          If the comment has been deleted, you will be sent to the top of the thread.
          August 2014
          • Administrator
            steve ca Canada 7237 159 55542
            It took a little longer than normal, but the link took me here, right to the comment.
            August 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    There is again a spammer and I cannot stop him because someone has approved him and I can no longer delete threads: http://www.lingq.com/profile/kaludas/
    August 2014
    • Moderator
      SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
      I rejected a spammer about 2 hours ago, but haven't seen anything since until I looked into the forum just now. I've sent a separate e-mail to support. Should we start a "Full stop at the Forum Part 2" thread? This one is very long.
      August 2014
      • Moderator
        VeraI de Germany 18587 2664 651
        Nein, wir machen mal keinen neuen Thread um dem LingQ-Support das volle Erlebnis der Vorzüge des neuen Forums zu gewähren ;)
        August 2014
        • Moderator
          SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
          Wie gemein! :)))
          August 2014
    • Moderator
      SanneT gb United Kingdom 487 343
      This idiot is no new member as such. He joined a few days ago. I've alerted Support again.
      August 2014
      • Moderator
        VeraI de Germany 18587 2664 651
        It would better if moderators still have to opportunity to delete the thread too.
        August 2014
        • Moderator
          ColinJohnstonov gb United Kingdom 52700 1 7605
          I doubt anybody allowed this new member. I wonder if it is a bug. When I logged in, I had the option to reject or approve one spam thread and I rejected it. I had no chance to reject the rest of the spam threads. Maybe we are only able to do the top one.
          August 2014
          • Moderator
            VeraI de Germany 18587 2664 651
            No, I was able to refuse several threads of one spammer yesterday.
            August 2014
            • Moderator
              ColinJohnstonov gb United Kingdom 52700 1 7605
              Hmm, ok then I have no idea
              August 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18587 2664 651
    Again some who has managed to pass their posts:

    Sorry, too late. They are deleted.


    August 2014