Dutch has reached the limits for a supported language
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VeraI 18615 2664 651
I've already posted it a week ago in this thread: http://www.lingq.com/forum/1/20681/154708/
But I'm not sure if you have recognized it.

I've checked Dutch. All the limits of the new rules are reached.
http://www.lingq.com/newlanguage/

Beginner: 2h 11m 52s (required: 2 hours)
Intermediate: 8h 38m 43s (required: 5 hours)
Advanced: 29h 26m 48s (required: 5 hours)

So when do you add it to the supported languages? Silvia was working so hard! She deserves it.

And mikebond pointed out that Polish is quite close too. Just 2m 24s in the beginner section were missing a week ago.
January 2014
  • mikebond 627 17123 111
    I suppose they will promote Dutch, Czech and hopefully Polish when they (finally) launch the new beta-language policy. So the question is: when are you guys launching the new policy?
    January 2014
  • silviad 467 14728 5353
    Hello, that is very good news! I hope Dutch and the others which fulfill the requirements will quickly be added!
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @all - Thanks for the heads up. We still have to vet the content ourselves to ensure the audio is high quality, and we also have to get our beginner courses translated and recorded before anything happens here.

    I would love to get Dutch up soon, but we've been busy preparing the 90-Day Challenge, continuing to update other parts of the site, working on our mobile apps, responding to support emails and forum posts, and continuing to make marketing efforts to help grow LingQ's revenue (which allows us to continue to grow our team). I will see what I can do to get this done sooner rather than later!
    January 2014
  • CannIK84 1900 15199 23037
    Cool! Having an advanced level of German, I would love to start with Dutch and know that I wouldn't face so many hurdles since it's closely related to German. Nice job silviad! :D
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18615 2664 651
    @Alex: Do you have a timeline?
    January 2014
  • mikebond 627 17123 111
    Indeed, a timeline would be appreciated. You mentioned this new policy over two months ago and we still don't know anything more than we did then...
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @VeraI - I hope to have the major pieces in place by Friday next week, then I'll work on getting any remaining beginner lessons transcribed and recorded. Will do my best!

    @mikebond - Sorry for the delay with this. Some other projects (such as our update and the 90-Day Challenge) have taken priority over this. I can't give you a timeframe for when the new language system will be ready to go. Right now new languages are lower on our list of priorities as we look to continue to improve the experience for new LingQ members. In addition to improving the functionality for existing members, improving the experience for new members is one of our top priorities and will help drive more growth to the site than we believe adding new languages will at this time. It was a difficult decision for us to hide beta languages by default, as we know many people worked hard to get these languages added, but we hope this decision will help us to focus more on the key aspects of the site, including the Lesson page, the mobile experience (both on the site and through the apps), and more. That being said, we can hopefully redirect some effort to the new language interface some time soon!
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @VeraI - Just as a heads up, we're making the final preparations for Dutch and should have it added soon. We'll send out an announcement when it's been added :)
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18615 2664 651
    @Alex: These are good news for Silvia and the other content providers for Dutch and all the learners. Thank you for lettung us know.
    January 2014
  • OzzyHellBack 15 0 6
    @all Congrats on making Dutch an official lingq language.

    @Alex Will it mean there is going to be another beta after Dutch?
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @OzzyHellBack - Not planning on any new beta languages. Instead, we'll leave it up to members to organize enough content to meet our content requirements then we'll add it as a fully supported language.
    January 2014
  • OzzyHellBack 15 0 6
    @Alex

    So how much content would someone need to start up a beta? An 1 hour or so of overall content?
    January 2014
  • cgreen0038 11218 225 0
    @Ozzy - http://www.lingq.com/newlanguage/

    Keep in mind they haven't actually made any official announcement on how that content will be organized and presented. I imagine that will happen when they eventually update the beta language system. Like Alex said in response to Michele, there is no timeline on when that update will happen.
    January 2014
  • mikebond 627 17123 111
    "Not planning on any new beta languages. Instead, we'll leave it up to members to organize enough content to meet our content requirements then we'll add it as a fully supported language."

    Alex, do you mean members will have to create or found so much content without anybody being able to use it (even in "hidden mode" like now), thus without ever receiving any points or gratification for their hard work? If that is what you mean, I suppose we would never get any new languages at LingQ, other than some of the current beta languages and maybe Thai (see previous threads). That'd be disappointing...
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    VeraI 18615 2664 651
    "Not planning on any new beta languages. Instead, we'll leave it up to members to organize enough content to meet our content requirements then we'll add it as a fully supported language." Terrible news!

    That is what I was exactly worried about when I read firstly the announcement of the future of Beta languages. I guess the LingQ database is horribly planned. Otherwise it would be a single click to add a new language slot without any dictionairies and other refinements if the language has a known script (like Latin). When I hear the complaints from LingQ how difficult and much work it is to add another language this is the only conclusion. At my job I work with a multilingual software too and they have simply a language field in each relevant database table.

    I see no chances that any other language will ever reach the limits if LingQ does not at least offers the option to add the content to LingQ. You have to work for month (full time !) to get so much content, and you have to do this without any feedback! That could not work in my opinion.
    January 2014
  • mikebond 627 17123 111
    +1000 for Vera!
    January 2014
  • mountainash 16 35 105
    Hooray for Dutch (and everyone who has contributed content). I definitely want to study this in future to get in touch with my Dutch heritage.

    I too would like to advocate for the expanding of Beta languages on Lingq. It doesn't bother me if they are hidden, but right now the range of languages at Lingq is limited and if there are users who are passionate about building up other languages, then we should let them! I am particularly keen to see Cantonese added. I am perplexed at the purported technical difficulties as surely there are ways around these and users who have these expertise.
    January 2014
  • mikebond 627 17123 111
    Thanks for your support, mountainash (I couldn't find your real name)! I am on the same wavelength as you. I have been studying Polish since it was added in July 2011. I have provided lessons in Latin, Esperanto, Polish and Romanian (my texts corrected, recorded and shared). It doesn't bother me much, because I mostly use my private content, and I suppose it doesn't bother the other beta-language users, either.
    I spent several months of 2013 inviting Catalan speakers to vote for Catalan on the Facebook poll and to have a look at LingQ. Some of them even joined LingQ. But all my effort was vain, I wasted my time. Nobody will create even a few lessons if they cannot get some tangible reward or feedback. I am more and more perplexed, too.
    January 2014
  • jolanda 38178 23820 13845
    @Vera

    100% right!!
    January 2014
  • OzzyHellBack 15 0 6
    @vera

    If Vera is saying that from experience, then the lingq people need to step-up their work a little more.
    January 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    @all - Adding new languages is not currently a priority for us. I do recognize that a lot of you are passionate about new languages being added, but so far we have seen very little gain from the 10 beta languages that we've added and have made the decision to devote our focus to other aspects of the site. Our current focus is on improving the experience for new LingQ members, along with further enhancing the functionality for existing learner. We feel this will provide the most benefit for the most people.

    I know that not everyone will agree with this decision, but I hope that you will all continue to support us as we work hard at making LingQ even better. We aren't looking to ban future languages forever, but after looking at the numbers it just doesn't make sense at this point to spend more time on new languages. That won't always be the case, though.
    January 2014
  • OzzyHellBack 15 0 6
    @Alex

    Ya, I guess you are right about that. The lingq site has many problems to fix, But I hope sometime this year new languages might be added.
    January 2014
  • mountainash 16 35 105
    @Alex - I understand Alex that you have only limited time and resources and I completely respect that. You are obviously putting in a huge amount of work with the site. My interest in new languages being added to the site stems from the fact that Lingq is proving so effective for me with Mandarin that I would want to use it for any new language I choose to study, and next on my list is Cantonese, a non-Lingq language.
    January 2014
  • Wulfgar 27165 24656 3914
    Wish i saw this thread earlier. I've got 2 comments.
    1) Dutch still isn't a fully supported language, as far as I can tell.
    2) There is no place to put Thai material, or material from any language other than supported/beta languages. This has been brought up before.
    March 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 37007 3879 2593
    We are working on getting Dutch ready. Hopefully, it won't be too much longer. Regarding new beta languages, unfortunately, we will not be adding them. If you want Thai added, the requirements for supported languages will have to be met and it will then be added. You can find more details here - http://www.lingq.com/newlanguage/.
    March 2014
  • Wulfgar 27165 24656 3914
    Oh, ok. Then all I have to do is mail you the material, and provided it passes your quality inspection, Thai will be added?
    March 2014
  • Administrator
    mark 37007 3879 2593
    @Wulfgar - That is correct provided we don't encounter major technical issues related to implementing Thai.
    March 2014
  • kcb 80238 31208 3739
    And there's the rub.
    March 2014
  • Wulfgar 27165 24656 3914
    Yes. And in fact Mark has informed me that Thai is too difficult to implement.
    March 2014
  • syneryder 5201 132 1437
    What's the advantage gained in promoting a language to official status? I've enjoyed learning some Dutch as part of the beta languages, and it didn't feel different to the official languages to me. Is the difference just that beta languages might not have sufficient content yet & haven't been checked for quality control?

    Also, I guess official languages have to be tested in the mobile apps & against the LingQ API? In that case I can see why Thai might be difficult to implement.
    March 2014
  • CannIK84 1900 15199 23037
    According to Steve Kaufmann, any issues related to official languages will be resolved whereas that is not the case for beta. Moreover, Lingq usually provides content for official languages so the lesson series "Who is she?", which is available in all the official languages, will presumably also be available in Dutch.
    March 2014