Modern Greek on LingQ, who's in?
gregf 8060 25781 372
Every once in a while, someone talks about getting Greek on LingQ. After having tried unsuccessfully to get people to read Ancient Greek texts in order to make content for that language, I thought I'd move to Modern Greek, where there are presumably enough native speakers whose arms we might twist to get them to read some basic texts (such as the Who is She text that Steve wrote).

I'm going to go to italki and see if I can meet up with enough native Greeks to find some people to make content for us. But before hand, I have two questions:

1) Who's interested?

2) How can we get LingQ to make us a "playbox" of sorts, where we can upload and test content before Modern Greek becomes an official language here? I'd like to have Google Translate and a couple of dictionaries working for Greek, something I can't do by just uploading texts to the Esperanto slot.

Finally, how did Ukranian become a supported language here? Was there enough content to make it an official language, or did Steve just make it happen?
August 2014
  • gregf 8060 25781 372
    I should mention that I've already read the page that lists the requirements for introducing a new language on LingQ. I suppose I'm trying to see whether LingQ staff would be willing to provide certain people who really want to see a language supported on the site with a sandbox of sorts, where we could edit the dictionary settings, upload texts and audio, etc., before the language goes "live" to everyone in the community.

    Having to scrounge up several hours worth of content before being able to access anything on LingQ doesn't help motivate people to produce content. Perhaps some kind of middle ground can be established?

    August 2014
    • Moderator
      alex ca Canada 1705 656 31848
      Hi! Adding new languages requires time from our developers, even for a temporary holding slot, so we aren't currently able to do anything on our end to better facilitate this. Instead I might recommend Dropbox or something similar where you can organize files collectively.
      August 2014
  • TroisRoyaumes 7555 43142 49051
    For that stealthy insertion of Ukrainian, he kicked around and cried his lung out evoking his contribution and what people owe him so far, etc., repeatedly, for a period of time. You could try come over and do the same.
    August 2014
    • Ozemite au Australia 100 3553 561
      I'm BEGGING Steve to BEG the LingQ team to add Farsi! :)~
      August 2014
  • Chaoskind 4167 13013 7909
    Hey gregf, I love the idea and I would definitely be interested in learning modern Greek! I would be really excited if you could make this happen!
    August 2014
  • Elric 17055 7024 5727
    I wonder if FSI's Greek course could be legally imported here. It's pretty comprehensive: http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php...
    August 2014
    • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
      The problem with the FSI content, if I remember correctly, is that there is a lot of English in the audio. Otherwise I think it is public domain material.
      August 2014
      • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
        Actually I just listened to the audio, it's pretty good, very little English. The problem with the Greek would be 1) cutting up the audio to just get the Greek dialogs (and not the repetition drills, for example), and 2) typing up the Greek text into a word document. Neither are trivial, and would probably require more effort than volunteers are willing to make.. :(
        August 2014
        • Chaoskind de Germany 4167 13013 7909
          I just looked at the exchange page and I don't think that there are more than maybe 10 more or less active members from Greece on Lingq. :( So we probably would have to find people to create/translate/transcribe/record content outside of Lingq, which I think might prove difficult...
          August 2014
          • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
            I just posted this on italki, we'll see if I can find someone who might be interested. I also have a good Greek friend I might be able to hit up. ;)

            http://www.italki.com/entry/464263
            August 2014
        • Elric br Brazil 17055 7024 5727
          Seeing as I have a proper recording studio at home with plenty of audio editing facilities, I could probably do the audio part, but it would probably take a long time.
          August 2014
          • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
            Ok, you're signed up. ;) If you make audio blocks for the dialogs, with just the useful information (Greek-only dialogs), I'll type up whatever Greek texts needs to be done.
            August 2014
            • Elric br Brazil 17055 7024 5727
              When I have some free time, I'll give it a try to see how much work it will require.
              August 2014
  • gregf 8060 25781 372
    OK, I had my first nibble of a response on LingQ from a native Greek speaker. We'll see if I can get her to record/translate something.

    Any one else have any ideas?
    August 2014
    • mikebond fr France 627 17123 111
      You can post texts at Rhinospike.com and have them recorded, or upload audio files and have them translated. I may be interested in studying modern Greek at LingQ some day, but not very soon, and I'd rather have ancient Greek added...
      August 2014
  • gregf 8060 25781 372
    Found the motherload! According to my calculations, there's about 10 hours of all-Greek audio here, with copy-and-pasteable text transcripts. Combined with a few novels and short story collections of varying difficulties I've found on Project Gutenberg, it should be enough material to cross the threshold for adding a new language. (!!) I'm getting in touch with the people at the Hellenic American Union to see if we can share their content. And might see if I can get "Where is she" translated and then read on rhinospike. Good news!

    http://www.hau.gr/?i=learning.en.podcasts-in-greek
    August 2014
    • Chaoskind de Germany 4167 13013 7909
      This is awesome news! Thanks for doing this!
      August 2014
    • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
      Permission granted! One step closer! :)
      August 2014
  • gregf 8060 25781 372
    Updates: Alex wrote to say that he thinks we can add Greek as a language on LingQ this month! In the meantime, I've found a couple more sources for Greek materials with audio and text:

    http://adayinthegreek.podbean.com/page/5

    and

    http://www.kypros.org/LearnGreek/login/index.php

    Though the latter might have a bit too much English to make it useful. I'll get in touch with both sources to see if either can be imported.
    September 2014
    • Elric br Brazil 17055 7024 5727
      Awesome! Here's some more content: http://rawlangs.com/2013/04/23/ten-ways-to-lear...
      September 2014
      • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
        Thanks for these. I didn't see anything I could use for LingQ, but I did like the description of the Hellenic American Union podcasts (which will be making up the bulk of the offering on LingQ, at least at the beginning):

        "Hellenic American Union podcast
        These are fantastic!! There’s a huge selection of episodes, no longer than ten minutes or so maximum that play you a dialogue, go through with new vocabulary, and then give you some basic exercises. They start incredibly basic and carry on to a respectably advanced level. This is a fantastic way to learn phrases that are so useful, and that will get you speaking in no time. The episodes are all based in Athens and are fairly modern and up to date. You’ll be amazed how much you learn just by listening to these every other day."
        September 2014
    • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
      Just received permission for "A Day in the Greek", plenty of beginner material now!
      September 2014
    • jungleboy pt Portugal 16810 17463 6625
      Fantastic news! I think Greek might be my next language. Once I master my current three, of course :)
      September 2014
      • Elric br Brazil 17055 7024 5727
        Languages have no masters, they're free. ;)
        September 2014
  • gregf 8060 25781 372
    More free Greek material: readings of the New Testament read in Modern Greek. Probably another 7+ hours (!) of advanced material.

    https://librivox.org/to-euaggelio-tou-matthaiou...
    https://librivox.org/epistole-pros-collosaes-by...
    https://librivox.org/kata-ioanne-euaggelio-apo-...

    The question is whether a Koine text read in Modern Greek would be useful for Modern Greek learners. If so, I can probably dig up a lot more Ancient Greek material read in Modern Greek to add to the library..
    September 2014
    • robarb us United States 21442
      Probably not, unless it's fully translated into Modern Greek? Koine may be closer but Ancient is definitely not the same language. Then again there are a few Swiss-German lessons in the German library, so I guess we just have to deal with the inherent fuzziness of language boundaries on Lingq. Some kind of "archaic" tag for filtering could be useful.
      September 2014
  • Karat555 24472 3100 27078
    Helo. Any news about Greek language slot?
    December 2014
    • gregf fr France 8060 25781 372
      I gave up waiting for it. If it ever moves off the "long list of things to do" and becomes a reality, I'll come back, but I'm not holding my breath (or looking for any more content for them).
      December 2014
      • Administrator
        mark ca Canada 36897 2525 2593
        We will be adding Greek as a Beta language in early January with the intention of getting everything set up and ready for launch as a supported language in February or March at the latest. We have been a little slow at getting these languages added and we apologize. Be patient just a little longer.
        December 2014
    • Administrator
      zoran rs Serbia 2328 480 89
      Hi,
      At this moment, we don't have any plans to add new languages to the site, but you can use an existing slot to study an unsupported language to help track your vocabulary and learning progress. With this you will have to use a dictionary in another window/tab.
      Let me know if you have any additional questions.
      December 2014
      • georgos br Brazil 13594 10323 1161
        I think Greek and Hindi should be here. but...
        December 2014
      • _MissTake_ fr France 8110 20386 22847
        "you can use an existing slot to study an unsupported language" zoran, what about the sound for the FlashCards?
        December 2014
        • Moderator
          alex ca Canada 1705 656 31848
          Unfortunately text to speech won't work, nor will the dictionaries, but for those who are interested in taking advantage of LingQ's vocabulary tracking tools this is an option that exists without any additional changes required to the system.
          December 2014
  • Moderator
    alex 1705 656 31848
    Hey guys, just a heads up that a new slot has been added for Greek. You can find it here:
    http://www.lingq.com/learn/el/welcome/

    Feel free to go in now and add your content, and once it's ready let us know and we'll make the necessary preparations to add it as a supported language, and will also send out an announcement to all our members about Greek being added as a new language :)
    January 2015