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English LingQ 2.0 Podcast, EnglishLingQ 2.0 Podcast #3: Mark Kaufmann Talks About His Hockey Career (2)

EnglishLingQ 2.0 Podcast #3: Mark Kaufmann Talks About His Hockey Career (2)

I mean, you'd laugh at them because they're unskilled, they laugh at you because you get beat up in a fight.

But, uh, no, it's very much, they're a part of the team and I'm not, there's no real separation that way.

Elizabeth: Oh, that's good. Okay. And I'm just remembering, there is a movie actually called Goon. I don't know if you've seen it.

Mark: I think I've seen it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Elizabeth: That's very funny. That's good.

Mark: Yeah. There's, you know, there's there's guys that will never fight.

There's the guys that are only there to fight and then there's guys in the middle and it's sometimes fight and, and um, so it's not like it's, it's, there's one guy that fights and no one else does, but there's one in back when I played there'd be.... four guys in every team that spend most of their time kind of running around and getting in fights.

And so, so it's, um, now even a lot of teams don't even have one guy. Like they might have a guy that plays 50% of the time, but, um...

Elizabeth: So the culture is shifting then?

Mark: Yeah. Oh, significantly, significantly. There's much more of a, it's just a much faster game now, much more skilled. Um, you, you can't play a guy that can't play. Isn't... can't keep up and can't make plays.

Um, so it's significantly changed for sure. And that the rules have changed. So again, when I was playing, like you, you were just allowed to do a lot more things to, to guys, so yeah. Uh...

Elizabeth: Like, like what? Like punching, kicking..

Mark: That for sure. But if you, you know, I mean there's to it to a degree, but hockey is funny. Cause, cause there's a rule book, but the rules are very loosely. Interpreted, uh, back back, I've always been kind of very much up to the ref to whether he's going to want to call, call something or not.

So that stuff is obvious penalties that are penalties in the rule book just didn't get called. And, um, so you, you, you just because it's, it's a given goal game. So if you give the puck and you try to get open but somebody comes along and basically holds you, impedes you then pretty much, it's hard to generate, to generate offense.

So technically that's interference or holding or hooking, but it just wasn't called. Whereas now they call it tightly. So there's just, there's way more opportunity to... it just makes it much faster, whereas before there's always somebody kind of in the way, so it's hard to get speed up and it's just quite a bit different.

Yeah.

It's better way better now that the hockey's still so fast and skilled. Yeah.

Elizabeth: I should watch. Maybe, maybe if you, uh, did you ever get any really bad injuries? Were you ever... maybe you were to fight?

Mark: Uh, no, I, I didn't get in fights, Jahrine.

Elizabeth: Okay. Fair

enough.

Mark: The, uh, I didn't, I was pretty lucky, nothing too serious that I, you know, The odd, uh, whatever bumps and bruises puck sticks in the face.

Uh, Charlie horses, the only nothing that would really keep me out of action for too long. Uh, in junior, I got elbowed in the mouth that was unpleasant, um, few teeth scrambled, um, and, uh, And then, uh, in, in actually, in Japan, I got hit into the boards and then driven into the boards and my shoulder came up and I kind of dislocated slash tore some ligaments in there.

So I actually needed surgery on my shoulder, but otherwise nothing, you know, nothing too serious. I was pretty lucky.

Elizabeth: Good. So when that injury happened in Japan... did they have to kind of pop it back in there and then.

Mark: No, it didn't come right out. Uh, at least it went back in and of its own accord, but, um, it was, yeah, I, I tore my, whatever, something in there that they had to reattach.

So, um, it's been reasonably okay since they fixed it. So...

Elizabeth: Good. Is there, um, a country that you have fonder memories from playing in? So Japan, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Canada.

Mark: Um, you know, I, I don't, um, really rank them. I don't think I have a place that I thought was the best and place that I thought was the worst.

They were all, uh, good for different reasons. And, um, yeah, like, uh, Italy... you know, th th th the hockey was pretty good. Um, Italy's great. Like being in Italy was great. Um, Hmm. Austria was fun because our town was, was a big hockey town, and we had some big games with the town up the road, and it was good hockey.

And so I have fond memories of Austria as well. Uh, Switzerland. We were, unfortunately we didn't have, we were a strange team we had, no, we didn't really get many fans. Um, our owner just liked to have the team there and he had lots of money and he didn't care. Uh, but it's kind of fun to play in front of, to have your own fans.

Like we look forward to going on the road to play in other teams', uh, rinks so that we could... play in front of some fans. Uh, but being in Switzerland, Zurich was a great place to live. Uh, really enjoyed it there. And Japan was great. We had, uh, was in a great little town in Niko and, um, we had very dedicated fans there.

We didn't have like, the arena was small, but it was full. And, you know, 2000 people making noise for three hours. Like it was pretty fun, really fun, and really enjoyed it there. I enjoyed it everywhere I played. And obviously playing here in Canada was in, in college in the States was fun because yeah, it's...

Elizabeth: and it was Yale you...

Mark: The level was very good. I was at Yale. Yeah.

Yeah.

That was fun. US college hockey and being at Yale was, was great. And the atmosphere at, uh, US college sports is pretty unique and, um, and that was lots of fun for sure. And the level was high and, um, your friends are watching and yeah, again, great atmosphere, band playing.

Uh, it's it's unique. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really fun.

Elizabeth: Did you uh... when you were at Yale, did you join a fraternity? Is that what they're called?

Mark: I did join a fraternity. There's fraternities and there were, um, there's um, I can't think of them secret societies. I didn't join one of those. Oh, well...

Elizabeth: You weren't asked to? Oh, bummer.

Mark: No, I know. Um...

Elizabeth: That's what someone who is in a secret society would say, though.

Mark: That's true. So you'll never know. Um, from what I can tell the secret societies, it was just more or less they'd get together once in a while. And once in a while, once a week or every couple of weeks. Have a... like have a few drinks.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know it's secret. Um, but I wasn't, I was in a fraternity. Um, I was not a diehard fraternity member, but it was something to do. Um, we had parties once in awhile. Uh,

Elizabeth: Sure. If it's anything like the movies, I dunno...

Mark: yeah, I think,

uh, I think, I can't remember if, was it, was it George Bush or somebody was a fraternity member of that fraternity?

I can't remember. Anyway...

Elizabeth: senior or junior?

Mark: Uh, junior, I think... it's a long time ago Jah, you know.

Elizabeth: It's okay. Remember what you can.

Mark: I'm gonna do my best.

Elizabeth: Um, I wanted to ask about a fraternity, one more thing. Oh yeah. Sorry. This is kind of veering off, but I don't know if it was a, is there such a thing as like a sports fraternity? This is an interesting topic for me. And if so, um, is there... is it that they call it hazing? Where you, you get into the fraternity by doing some things.

And maybe you can't say what they were if there were any hazing... challenges.

Mark: Um, yeah,

I don't know about a sports fraternity. Fraternities are open to everybody, but probably, I mean, there were definitely those fraternity fraternities that um, probably there had more athletes in them than non-athletes, but I don't know that there was a real distinct, uh, separation there. In terms of hazing,

I think all fraternities have some form of hazing, some form of initiation. Like you're not just, you don't just show up and you're in you go to go through some kind of a hazing, to be honest, our hazing. It was hilarious, like, Oh yeah, it was essentially the, the, um, the existing, uh, fraternity brothers would make all the pledges do stupid things and embarrass themselves.

So yeah, I...it was, it was fun. It was all like, that was the highlight of my time in the fraternity I was being, um, Pledge and the stupid things we had to do. Like it was, it was funny. Some of those guys, I can't remember... some of the guys that were pretty funny. Some of the stuff that they made us do.

So nothing

Elizabeth: life threatening then?

Mark: No, no, no. It's just fun.

Because you hear about

Elizabeth: that on the news.

Mark: You

do stupid things. And it's more, I think, not so much, I don't know if maybe fraternities are like that too, but it's more sports teams and the hazing where you hear a really stupid things and, and hockey has been known for doing lots of stupid things and like sick things.

Like I, um, yeah... some teams do that. Some guys you hear about stuff. And I was lucky, I guess I was never on a team that had that. I remember in junior hockey where a lot of this stuff happens like that. It's, it's, they're sort of teenage kids that, that kinda get caught up in it. And, and the adults are a little bit more sane about it

all, you know, kids get kind of, but, but I can remember junior, our coach basically saying there's going to be no. No, um, significant hazing here. We had a lot of rookies that year and he just said, no, we're not doing this. Just let the older guys know, but a lot of stupid stuff happens. Um, for sure, in, in that environment, you know, you're on a team...

you're you're, you're... with any team, but I think with hockey, you see the guys every day, you're with the guys every day, you're traveling lots. You're in hotels. You're... so you're you're, you got 20 or 22 teenage kids together all the time. They're going to start to do stupid things, teenage boys, they just are. So you know, you're done not much to do other than play hockey and be in the hotel and on the bus.

And, you know, you could only uh, fight each other, wrestle so much,

um, that environment is going to lead to some stupid stuff. So I think, yeah, I, uh, at least everybody's much more aware now in making sure that guys, uh, energies that are directed in a more appropriate, uh, directions.

Elizabeth: Safe directions. Yeah.

Especially with... everyone has a camera in their pocket these days. So I feel for, you know, these kids, these kids who, are filmed doing things that may jeopardize...

Mark: yeah. I actually, yeah, I know. I think you still hear about stupid stuff that happens, but I suspect that there's a lot less of it now for that reason that everybody is a lot more aware of what everybody else is doing.


EnglishLingQ 2.0 Podcast #3: Mark Kaufmann Talks About His Hockey Career (2) EnglishLingQ 2.0 Podcast #3: Mark Kaufmann Talks About His Hockey Career (2)

I mean, you'd laugh at them because they're unskilled, they laugh at you because you get beat up in a fight. Quero dizer, você riria deles porque eles não são qualificados, eles riem de você porque você apanha em uma briga. 我的意思是,你会因为他们不熟练而嘲笑他们,他们会因为你在打架中被殴打而嘲笑你。

But, uh, no, it's very much, they're a part of the team and I'm not, there's no real separation that way. Mas, uh, não, é muito, eles fazem parte do time e eu não, não há separação real dessa forma. 但是,呃,不,这非常重要,他们是团队的一部分,而我不是,那样没有真正的分离。

Elizabeth: Oh, that's good. Okay. And I'm just remembering, there is a movie actually called Goon. 我只记得,有一部电影实际上叫Goon。 I don't know if you've seen it.

Mark: I think I've seen it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Elizabeth: That's very funny. That's good.

Mark: Yeah. There's, you know, there's there's guys that will never fight.

There's the guys that are only there to fight and then there's guys in the middle and it's sometimes fight and, and um, so it's not like it's, it's, there's one guy that fights and no one else does, but there's one in back when I played there'd be.... four guys in every team that spend most of their time kind of running around and getting in fights. Tem os caras que estão lá apenas para lutar e depois tem os caras no meio e às vezes é brigar e, e um, então não é como se fosse, é, tem um cara que luta e ninguém mais luta, mas tem um atrás quando Eu joguei, haveria ... quatro caras em cada time que passam a maior parte do tempo correndo e se metendo em brigas. 有些人只是在那里打架,然后有些人在中间,有时会打架,嗯,所以不是这样,它是,有一个人打架,没有其他人打架,但是当有一个人在后面我打的时候会有……每支球队有四个人,他们大部分时间都在跑来跑去打架。

And so, so it's, um, now even a lot of teams don't even have one guy. E então é, hum, agora mesmo muitos times não têm nem mesmo um cara. Like they might have a guy that plays 50% of the time, but, um... Como se eles pudessem ter um cara que joga 50% do tempo, mas, hum ...

Elizabeth: So the culture is shifting then? Elizabeth: Então a cultura está mudando?

Mark: Yeah. Oh, significantly, significantly. There's much more of a, it's just a much faster game now, much more skilled. Há muito mais de um, é apenas um jogo muito mais rápido agora, muito mais habilidoso. Um, you, you can't play a guy that can't play. Hum, você, você não pode interpretar um cara que não pode jogar. Isn't... can't keep up and can't make plays. Não é ... não pode acompanhar e não pode fazer jogadas.

Um, so it's significantly changed for sure. And that the rules have changed. E que as regras mudaram. So again, when I was playing, like you, you were just allowed to do a lot more things to, to guys, so yeah. Então, novamente, quando eu estava jogando, como você, você tinha permissão para fazer muito mais coisas para, para os caras, então sim. Uh...

Elizabeth: Like, like what? Like punching, kicking.. Como socar, chutar ..

Mark: That for sure. But if you, you know, I mean there's to it to a degree, but hockey is funny. Mas se você, você sabe, quero dizer, até certo ponto, mas o hóquei é engraçado. Cause, cause there's a rule book, but  the rules are very loosely. Causa, porque há um livro de regras, mas as regras são muito vagas. Interpreted, uh, back back, I've always been kind of very much up to the ref to whether he's going to want to call, call something or not. Interpretado, uh, de volta, eu sempre estive muito atento ao árbitro se ele vai querer ligar, ligar alguma coisa ou não.

So that stuff is obvious penalties that are penalties in the rule book just didn't get called. そのため、ルールブックのペナルティである明らかなペナルティは呼び出されませんでした。 Tak więc te rzeczy są oczywistymi karami, które są karami w instrukcji, po prostu nie zostały ogłoszone. Então essas coisas são penalidades óbvias que são penalidades no livro de regras simplesmente não foram pagas. And, um, so you, you, you just because it's, it's a given goal game. E, hum, então você, você, você só porque é, é um determinado jogo de gol. So if you give the puck and you try to get open but somebody comes along and basically holds you, impedes you then pretty much, it's hard to generate, to generate offense. Então, se você dá o disco e tenta abrir, mas alguém chega e basicamente te segura, te atrapalha muito, é difícil de gerar, de gerar ofensa.

So technically that's interference or holding or hooking, but it just wasn't called. Então, tecnicamente, isso é interferência ou retenção ou enganchamento, mas simplesmente não foi chamado. Whereas now they call it tightly. Considerando que agora eles chamam isso de forma firme. 而现在他们称之为严格。 So there's just, there's way more opportunity to... it just makes it much faster, whereas before there's always somebody kind of in the way, so it's hard to get speed up and it's just quite a bit different. Então, há muito mais oportunidades para ... isso apenas torna tudo muito mais rápido, enquanto antes sempre há alguém meio que atrapalhando, então é difícil acelerar e é um pouco diferente.

Yeah.

It's better way better now that the hockey's still so fast and skilled. É melhor agora que o hóquei ainda é tão rápido e habilidoso. Yeah.

Elizabeth: I should watch. Maybe, maybe if you, uh, did you ever get any really bad injuries? Talvez, talvez se você, uh, você já teve algum ferimento realmente ruim? Were you ever... maybe you were to fight? Você alguma vez ... talvez você fosse lutar?

Mark: Uh, no, I, I didn't get in fights, Jahrine. Mark: Uh, não, eu, eu não entrei em brigas, Jahrine.

Elizabeth: Okay. Fair Justo

enough.

Mark: The, uh, I didn't, I was pretty lucky, nothing too serious that I, you know, The odd, uh, whatever bumps and bruises puck sticks in the face. Mark: O, uh, eu não fiz, eu tive muita sorte, nada muito sério que eu, você sabe, O estranho, uh, qualquer que seja o disco de contusões e machucados fura no rosto. 马克:呃,我没有,我很幸运,没有什么太严重的事情,你知道的,奇怪的,呃,不管脸上的肿块和瘀伤。

Uh, Charlie horses, the only nothing that would really keep me out of action for too long. Uh, cavalos Charlie, o único nada que realmente me manteria fora de ação por muito tempo. Uh, in junior, I got elbowed in the mouth that was unpleasant, um, few teeth scrambled, um, and, uh, And then, uh, in, in actually, in Japan, I got hit into the boards and then driven into the boards and my shoulder came up and I kind of dislocated slash tore some ligaments in there. Uh, na młodości, dostałem łokciem w usta, co było nieprzyjemne, hm, zamieszało mi się kilka zębów, hm, i, uh, A potem, uh, w rzeczywistości, w Japonii, zostałem uderzony w deski, a następnie wbity w deski i moje ramię uniosły się i jakbym zwichnięty cięcie zerwał tam kilka więzadeł. Uh, no júnior, levei uma cotovelada na boca que foi desagradável, hum, alguns dentes mexidos, hum, e, uh, E então, uh, na verdade, no Japão, fui atingido nas tábuas e depois levado para as tábuas e meu ombro subiram e eu meio que desloquei, rasguei alguns ligamentos ali. 呃,初中的时候,我的嘴被肘击了,很不愉快,嗯,几颗牙齿都被打乱了,嗯,然后,呃,在,实际上,在日本,我被撞到了板子上,然后被撞到了板子和我的肩膀抬起来,我有点脱臼的斜线撕裂了那里的一些韧带。

So I actually needed surgery on my shoulder, but otherwise nothing, you know, nothing too serious. Na verdade, eu precisava de uma cirurgia no ombro, mas por outro lado, nada, você sabe, nada muito sério. I was pretty lucky.

Elizabeth: Good. So when that injury happened in Japan... did they have to kind of pop it back in there and then. Então, quando aquela lesão aconteceu no Japão ... eles tiveram que colocá-la de volta ali mesmo.

Mark: No, it didn't come right out. Mark: Não, não saiu direito. Uh, at least it went back in and of its own accord, but, um, it was, yeah, I, I tore my, whatever, something in there that they had to reattach. Uh, przynajmniej weszło z powrotem i samo z siebie, ale, um, to było, tak, ja, cokolwiek, zerwałem, coś tam, co musieli ponownie przymocować. Uh, pelo menos voltou e por conta própria, mas, hum, foi, sim, eu, eu rasguei meu, sei lá, algo lá que eles tiveram que recolocar. 呃,至少它自动回到了里面,但是,嗯,它是,是的,我,我撕了我的,无论如何,那里的东西他们必须重新连接。

So, um, it's been reasonably okay since they fixed it. Więc, um, jest całkiem w porządku, odkąd to naprawili. Então, hum, está razoavelmente bem desde que eles consertaram. So...

Elizabeth: Good. Is there, um, a country that you have fonder memories from playing in? Existe, um, um país do qual você tem melhores memórias de tocar? 有没有,嗯,一个让你有更美好回忆的国家? So Japan, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Canada.

Mark: Um, you know, I, I don't, um, really rank them. Mark: Hum, você sabe, eu, eu não, hum, realmente os classifico. 马克:嗯,你知道,我,我不,嗯,真的给他们排名。 I don't think I have a place that I thought was the best and place that I thought was the worst. Acho que não tenho um lugar que pensei ser o melhor e um lugar que pensei ser o pior.

They were all, uh, good for different reasons. Eles eram todos, uh, bons por razões diferentes. And, um, yeah, like, uh, Italy... you know, th th th the hockey was pretty good. E, hum, sim, como, uh, Itália ... você sabe, th th o hóquei era muito bom. Um, Italy's great. Like being in Italy was great. Como se estar na Itália fosse ótimo. Um, Hmm. Austria was fun because our town was, was a big hockey town, and we had some big games with the town up the road, and it was good hockey. A Áustria era divertida porque nossa cidade era, era uma grande cidade de hóquei, e tivemos alguns grandes jogos com a cidade na estrada, e foi um bom hóquei. 奥地利很有趣,因为我们的小镇曾经是一个曲棍球大镇,我们在路上的小镇上进行了一些大型比赛,曲棍球很棒。

And so I have fond memories of Austria as well. E também tenho boas lembranças da Áustria. Uh, Switzerland. We were, unfortunately we didn't have, we were a strange team we had, no, we didn't really get many fans. Éramos, infelizmente não tínhamos, éramos um time estranho que tínhamos, não, não tínhamos muitos fãs. Um, our owner just liked to have the team there and he had lots of money and he didn't care. Nosso dono só gostava de ter a equipe lá e tinha muito dinheiro e não ligava. Uh, but it's kind of fun to play in front of, to have your own fans. Uh, mas é divertido tocar para, ter seus próprios fãs.

Like we look forward to going on the road to play in other teams', uh, rinks so that we could... play in front of some fans. Tak jak nie możemy się doczekać wyjazdu w trasę i gry w innych drużynach, hm, lodowiskach, abyśmy mogli... zagrać przed niektórymi fanami. Como se estivéssemos ansiosos para ir para a estrada para jogar em outros times, uh, rinques para que pudéssemos ... jogar na frente de alguns fãs. Uh, but being in Switzerland, Zurich was a great place to live. Uh, mas estando na Suíça, Zurique era um ótimo lugar para se viver. Uh, really enjoyed it there. Uh, realmente gostei de lá. And Japan was great. We had, uh, was in a great little town in Niko and, um, we had very dedicated fans there. Estávamos, uh, em uma ótima cidadezinha em Niko e, hum, tínhamos fãs muito dedicados lá. 我们曾经,呃,在 Niko 的一个很棒的小镇上,嗯,我们在那里有非常忠实的粉丝。

We didn't have like, the arena was small, but it was full. Não tínhamos like, a arena era pequena, mas estava cheia. And, you know, 2000 people making noise for three hours. Like it was pretty fun, really fun, and really enjoyed it there. 就像它很有趣,真的很有趣,并且真的很喜欢那里。 I enjoyed it everywhere I played. Eu gostava de todos os lugares que jogava. 我在任何地方都玩得很开心。 And obviously playing here in Canada was in, in college in the States was fun because yeah, it's... E obviamente tocar aqui no Canadá foi em, na faculdade nos Estados Unidos foi divertido porque sim, é ... 很明显,在加拿大打球很有趣,在美国上大学很有趣,因为是的,它...

Elizabeth: and it was Yale you... Elizabeth: e foi Yale você ...

Mark: The level was very good. I was at Yale. Eu estava em Yale. Yeah.

Yeah.

That was fun. Foi divertido. US college hockey and being at Yale was, was great. O hóquei universitário nos Estados Unidos e estar em Yale foi ótimo. And the atmosphere at, uh, US college sports is pretty unique and, um, and that was lots of fun for sure. E a atmosfera nos esportes universitários dos EUA é bem única e, hum, e isso foi muito divertido, com certeza. And the level was high and, um, your friends are watching and yeah, again, great atmosphere, band playing. E o nível estava alto e, hum, seus amigos estão assistindo e sim, de novo, ótima atmosfera, banda tocando. 水平很高,嗯,你的朋友在看,是的,再一次,很棒的气氛,乐队演奏。

Uh, it's it's unique. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really fun.

Elizabeth: Did you uh... when you were at Yale, did you join a fraternity? Elizabeth: Você, uh ... quando estava em Yale, entrou para uma fraternidade? Is that what they're called? É assim que eles são chamados?

Mark: I did join a fraternity. Mark: Eu entrei para uma fraternidade. There's fraternities and there were, um, there's um, I can't think of them secret societies. Há fraternidades e há, hã, hã, não consigo pensar em sociedades secretas. I didn't join one of those. Eu não entrei em um desses. Oh, well...

Elizabeth: You weren't asked to? Elizabeth: Você não foi convidado? Oh, bummer. Oh, que chatice.

Mark: No, I know. Um...

Elizabeth: That's what someone who is in a secret society would say, though.

Mark: That's true. So you'll never know. Então você nunca saberá. Um, from what I can tell the secret societies, it was just more or less they'd get together once in a while. Um, z tego, co mogę powiedzieć tajnym stowarzyszeniom, po prostu mniej więcej spotykali się raz na jakiś czas. Hum, pelo que posso dizer às sociedades secretas, era apenas mais ou menos que eles se reuniam de vez em quando. And once in a while, once a week or every couple of weeks. E de vez em quando, uma vez por semana ou a cada duas semanas. Have a... like have a few drinks. Tome um ... tipo, alguns drinques.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know it's secret. Um, but I wasn't, I was in a fraternity. Hum, mas eu não estava, eu estava em uma fraternidade. Um, I was not a diehard fraternity  member, but it was something to do. Hum, eu não era um membro obstinado da fraternidade, mas era algo para fazer. 嗯,我不是一个顽固的兄弟会成员,但这是要做的。 Um, we had parties once in awhile. Hum, nós tínhamos festas de vez em quando. Uh,

Elizabeth: Sure. If it's anything like the movies, I dunno... Se for algo parecido com os filmes, não sei ...

Mark: yeah, I think,

uh, I think, I can't remember if, was it, was it George Bush or somebody was a fraternity member of that fraternity? uh, eu acho, não me lembro se, foi, foi George Bush ou alguém era um membro da fraternidade dessa fraternidade?

I can't remember. Anyway...

Elizabeth: senior or junior?

Mark: Uh, junior, I think... it's a long time ago Jah, you know.

Elizabeth: It's okay. Remember what you can. Lembre-se do que você puder.

Mark: I'm gonna do my best. Mark: Vou fazer o meu melhor.

Elizabeth: Um, I wanted to ask about a fraternity, one more thing. Elizabeth: Hm, eu queria perguntar sobre uma fraternidade, mais uma coisa. Oh yeah. Sorry. This is kind of veering off, but I don't know if it was a, is there such a thing as like a sports fraternity? Isso está meio que mudando, mas não sei se era uma fraternidade esportiva? This is an interesting topic for me. And if so, um, is there...  is it that they call it hazing? E se sim, hm, há ... é que eles chamam de trote? Where you, you get into the fraternity by doing some things. Onde você, você entra na fraternidade fazendo algumas coisas.

And maybe you can't say what they were if there were any hazing... challenges. E talvez você não possa dizer quais eram se houvesse algum trote ... desafio.

Mark: Um, yeah,

I don't know about a sports fraternity. Eu não sei sobre uma fraternidade de esportes. Fraternities are open to everybody, but probably, I mean, there were definitely those fraternity fraternities that um, probably there had more athletes in them than non-athletes, but I don't know that there was a real distinct, uh, separation there. As fraternidades são abertas a todos, mas provavelmente, quero dizer, havia definitivamente aquelas fraternidades de fraternidade que hum, provavelmente tinham mais atletas nelas do que não-atletas, mas não sei se houve uma separação real distinta, uh, lá . In terms of hazing, Em termos de trote,

I think all fraternities have some form of hazing, some form of initiation. Acho que todas as fraternidades têm alguma forma de trote, alguma forma de iniciação. Like you're not just, you don't just show up and you're in you go to go through some kind of a hazing, to be honest, our hazing. Jakbyście nie byli po prostu, nie tylko pojawiacie się i przechodzicie przez jakiś rodzaj zdezorientowania, szczerze mówiąc, nasze znęcanie się. Como se você não fosse apenas, você não apenas apareceu e você passou por algum tipo de trote, para ser honesto, o nosso trote. It was hilarious, like, Oh yeah, it was essentially the, the, um, the existing, uh, fraternity brothers would make all the pledges do stupid things and embarrass themselves. To było zabawne, jak, O tak, zasadniczo to, hm, obecni bracia z bractwa kazali wszystkim przysięgowym robić głupie rzeczy i wprawiać się w zakłopotanie. Foi hilário, tipo, Oh sim, era essencialmente, os, hum, os existentes, uh, irmãos da fraternidade fariam todas as promessas fazerem coisas estúpidas e se envergonhariam.

So yeah, I...it was, it was fun. It was all like, that was the highlight of my time in the fraternity I was being, um, Pledge and the stupid things we had to do. Era como se fosse o ponto alto do meu tempo na fraternidade, eu estava sendo, hum, Pledge e as coisas estúpidas que tínhamos que fazer. Like it was, it was funny. Some of those guys, I can't remember... some of the guys that were pretty funny. Alguns desses caras, eu não consigo me lembrar ... alguns dos caras que eram bem engraçados. Some of the stuff that they made us do. Algumas das coisas que eles nos obrigaram a fazer.

So nothing Então nada

Elizabeth: life threatening then? Elizabeth: ameaça de vida então?

Mark: No, no, no. It's just fun.

Because you hear about

Elizabeth: that on the news. Elizabeth: isso está no noticiário.

Mark: You

do stupid things. And it's more, I think, not so much, I don't know if maybe fraternities are like that too, but it's more sports teams and the hazing where you hear a really stupid things and, and hockey has been known for doing lots of stupid things and like sick things. Και είναι περισσότερο, νομίζω, όχι και τόσο πολύ, δεν ξέρω αν μπορεί και οι αδελφότητες να είναι έτσι, αλλά είναι περισσότερες αθλητικές ομάδες και η θολούρα όπου ακούς πραγματικά ανόητα πράγματα και, και το χόκεϊ έχει γίνει γνωστό ότι κάνει πολλά ανόητα πράγματα και σαν άρρωστα πράγματα. E é mais, eu acho, não tanto, não sei se talvez as fraternidades sejam assim também, mas é mais equipes esportivas e trotes onde você ouve coisas realmente estúpidas e, e o hóquei é conhecido por fazer muitos coisas estúpidas e coisas doentias.

Like I, um, yeah... some teams do that. Como eu, um, sim ... algumas equipes fazem isso. Some guys you hear about stuff. And I was lucky, I guess I was never on a team that had that. E eu tive sorte, acho que nunca estive em um time que tinha isso. I remember in junior hockey where a lot of this stuff happens like that. Lembro-me do hóquei júnior, onde muitas dessas coisas acontecem assim. It's, it's, they're sort of teenage kids that, that kinda get caught up in it. É, é, eles são meio que adolescentes que meio que ficam presos nisso. And, and the adults are a little bit more sane about it

all, you know, kids get kind of, but, but I can remember junior, our coach basically saying there's going to be no. todos, você sabe, as crianças ficam meio que, mas, mas eu posso me lembrar do júnior, nosso treinador basicamente dizendo que não vai haver. 所有,你知道,孩子们有点,但是,但我记得初中,我们的教练基本上说不会有。 No, um, significant hazing here. Não, hum, trote significativo aqui. 不,嗯,这里有严重的欺凌。 We had a lot of rookies that year and he just said, no, we're not doing this. Tivemos muitos novatos naquele ano e ele apenas disse, não, não vamos fazer isso. 那一年我们有很多新秀,他只是说,不,我们不会这样做。 Just let the older guys know, but a lot of stupid stuff happens. Deixe os caras mais velhos saberem, mas muitas coisas estúpidas acontecem. 只是让年长的人知道,但是会发生很多愚蠢的事情。 Um, for sure, in, in that environment, you know, you're on a team...

you're you're, you're... with any team, but I think with hockey, you see the guys every day, you're with the guys every day, you're traveling lots. você está, você está ... com qualquer time, mas acho que com o hóquei, você vê os caras todos os dias, você está com os caras todos os dias, você está viajando muito. You're in hotels. You're...  so you're you're, you got 20 or 22 teenage kids together all the time. Você é ... então você é, você tem 20 ou 22 adolescentes juntos o tempo todo. They're going to start to do stupid things, teenage boys, they  just are. Eles vão começar a fazer coisas estúpidas, garotos adolescentes, eles simplesmente são. So you know, you're done not much to do other than play hockey and be in the hotel and on the bus. Então, você sabe, você não tem muito a fazer além de jogar hóquei e estar no hotel e no ônibus.

And, you know, you could only uh, fight each other, wrestle so much, E, você sabe, você só poderia uh, lutar entre si, lutar tanto,

um, that environment is going to lead to some stupid stuff. hum, esse ambiente vai levar a algumas coisas estúpidas. So I think, yeah, I, uh, at least everybody's much more aware now in making sure that guys, uh, energies that are directed in a more appropriate, uh, directions. Więc myślę, tak, ja, uh, przynajmniej wszyscy są teraz bardziej świadomi, upewniając się, że faceci, uh, energie, które są skierowane w bardziej odpowiednich, uh, kierunkach. Então eu acho, sim, eu, uh, pelo menos todo mundo está muito mais consciente agora em ter certeza que caras, uh, energias que são direcionadas em direções mais apropriadas. 所以我想,是的,我,呃,至少现在每个人都更加意识到,确保那些人,呃,能量被引导到一个更合适的,呃,方向。

Elizabeth: Safe directions. Yeah.

Especially with... everyone has a camera in their pocket these days. Especialmente com ... todo mundo tem uma câmera no bolso atualmente. So I feel for, you know, these kids, these kids who, are filmed doing things that may jeopardize... Então eu sinto por, sabe, por essas crianças, essas crianças que, são filmadas fazendo coisas que podem prejudicar ... 所以我觉得,你知道,这些孩子,这些孩子,被拍到做着可能危及...

Mark: yeah. I actually, yeah, I know. I think you still hear about stupid stuff that happens, but I suspect that there's a lot less of it now for that reason that everybody is a lot more aware of what everybody else is doing. Acho que você ainda ouve falar de coisas estúpidas que acontecem, mas suspeito que agora haja muito menos, porque todo mundo está muito mais ciente do que todo mundo está fazendo.