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stop studying and start communicating

learning a language is really really

really hard if you want to succeed at

learning a language you have to immerse

yourself and you have to have patience

and learning a language can change your

life I have been saying the same things

on my youtube channel for almost four

years and I'm sure that you are all sick

and tired of me repeating myself so

today you are going to hear from

somebody different but not just anybody

one of the most important and

influential people working in the field

of language today author of multiple

papers and books about language and

culture mr. Daniel Everett hello Dan

Everett thank you thank you very much

for talking to me it's great to be you

know people who do know you I think your

most famous for your work with with the

Peter Han language and all of that but

but for people who don't know you could

you sort of just introduce yourself sure I began my career 

 wanting to be a missionary in Brazil

and went down to the Amazon to translate

the Bible for a group of

hunter-gatherers and along the way the

reverse conversion went on where I

became an atheist like they are and I

got more interested in language and

anthropology and so for the past 30

years or so I've been doing a range of

research on the peterhall language and

other languages about the nature of

human language the nature of human

cognition and culture and I've written

several books on these topics yes yes

and in fact I have a copy here of you of

your new book which is called how

language began which which is an

incredible book I really I really

enjoyed it

what and I think I think for me the most

maybe the most shocking thing is that

you know I tell my students now that

that language has existed for at least

sixty five thousand years because that

seemed to be the figure that always came

up you know in in the agreed consensus

but but your new book puts the date much

further back yes I  mean really depends

on the perspective you take in the evidence that you

look for but the sixty five thousand to

I mean you get people saying fifty

thousand sixty-five thousand a hundred

thousand some people have put it as far

back as four hundred thousand years ago

with Neanderthals but I do think that

the evidence is strong and I try to

present it in the book that in fact homo

erectus more than a million years ago

almost certainly had language when we

look at the total array of

accomplishments of that species and

colleague of mine from the University of

Liverpool Department of Archaeology and

I are working on an article together

looking more closely at homo erectus

tools and arguing that those were

symbolic and if they're symbolic than

they had language my interest really is

in is in language teaching and language

learning and I'm just if you don't mind

I wanted to read you a quote from from

page five of your book I don't know if

it's a strange for you to have somebody

read your your words back to you okay

but it says here um language did not

fully begin when the first hominid

uttered the first word or sentence it

began in earnest only with the first

conversation which is both the source

and the goal of language indeed language

changes lives it builds society

expresses our highest aspirations our

basest thoughts our emotions and our

philosophies of life but all language is

ultimately at the surface of human

interaction other components of language

things like grammar and stories are

secondary to conversation

and like for me reading that you know as

a teacher and this is something I'm

interested in your perspective you know

as a teacher to me I think that that

message is lost in the world of language

in the world of language teaching and

learning you know that the communication

is is priority basically completely I

think if you can't communicate if you

can't carry on a conversation there's no

sense of what you speak that language

I mean we've all come up against really

smart college students for example or

high school students who who've learned

a lot of English grammar or some other

languages grammar and they can pronounce

the words perfectly they just can't take

part in a meaningful conversation in my

experience because I teach English here

in Spain a really common thing here that

students have great grammar you know you

can give them a worksheet and I can do

the worksheet in record time but you

know the minute you you put them in any

kind of conversation they just they have

no experience in conversation what do

you think about the state of language

sort of learning today obviously used to

be the center of Education I mean if you

go back a hundred years especially to

the UK and the so-called classical

education learning a foreign language

although they were ironically tended to

be dead languages Latin and Greek but

learning a foreign language was

considered extremely important for

teaching people about thinking I mean

that's one of the most important things

about language learning to me is that

when you learn to converse with other

people you learn about other ways of

thinking other ways of looking at the

world but it's really hard to do that

which is extremely difficult I don't

think there's any mystery to it people

ignore the benefits of learning a

language because it is so hard to learn

it but if you break it down into

percentages of your life it really does

it take all that long you know let's say

that you know I give these things called

monolingual demonstrations where I show

people how to start learning the

language when there's no language in

common and then I joke at the end of it

which is actually not a joke just do

this every day for a few years there's

just no shortcut you see these methods

learn such-and-such a 90 days there's no

such shortcut that they don't exist the

language learning takes a lot of your

time a good part of your life and all I

can say though is that it lasts for the

rest of your life with very little

maintenance required and it is the

benefits are just incredible no one is

ever I've never heard anyone say oh gee

I'm sorry I speak Spanish it's terrible

that I've learned to speak French I mean

people who speak these languages take

great pride in the fact that they can

speak them and they can go there and

identify with the people I just can't

think of anything that gives me more

pleasure than to be able to listen to

Peter house speaking on a text I

recorded and know what they're talking

about or listen to music and Portuguese

and really understand that read books

and Portuguese these are things that

have changed my life and and made it

better I wished I spoke more languages

but unfortunately hey you know I speak four

 and that's about it okay because

I know that's something that you've

talked about in the past it's like why

why is it important for people to learn

languages because you know monolingual

English speakers you know we're in a

very lucky position in the world the

onus is on everyone else to learn

English right you know that's how it

feels right

what's our incentive to learn French or

Peter Han or when you're in another

country sure I can speak English in in

Paris and I can speak English in Beijing

but I'm just a number then I'm not

somebody who stands out as respecting

their culture and respecting their

language and wanting to make an effort

to oui

we show them how much I respect them and

so when you learn another language you

develop a level of relationship with the

speakers of that language that you

simply cannot develop so if you're

business person trying to sell a product

in China if you've taken the time to

learn Chinese Mandarin or Cantonese or

whatever actual language you're learning

that resonates well with the people

especially if it goes along with the

food you know I mean cultural

acquisition is should be seamless the

PETA hunt told me one time that one

reason they saw me eating a salad

because I brought in a salad by plane

when they came in and missed the

vegetables and they said that's why you

still don't speak our language well

because we don't eat leaves and learning

the language is making a fool of

yourself a lot and that's just the way

it is you know my kids went to Brazil

when I went to Brazil and they got into

Brazilian schools and by the end of the

first six months they all spoke perfect

Portuguese and I was still struggling so

I spoke at my daughter's school my

oldest daughters schools I think she was

in fifth grade and on the way home she

told me all the things I did wrong

that's just what happens when you learn

language you've got put yourself out

there yeah I agree

um and it's interesting what you were

saying before about about learning

languages is making a fool of yourself

because I think that's another thing

that that a lot of language classes

don't don't deal with is the element of

fear because it can really paralyze

people you know people might have all

this great knowledge in their head but

they just can't you know they're too

afraid to have a conversation or to you

know like the word for coconut is cocoa

and the word for feces is cocoa and

asking for an ice cream of the wrong

kind and my kids were just they loved

every second of it they just we're

laughing and they they just loved every

bit of my mistakes because they didn't

make them in fact they say to me now

they're all fully grown and they say

thanks so much for Portuguese I don't

ever even remember learning it but now

it's just as much a part of me as

English's you mentioned earlier that

that you know you say at the end of your

monolingual demonstrations you say you

sort of joke that you just repeat that

every day and then you'll learn a

language but I'm wondering you know

maybe what what the science might might

tell us about about really what is a

really effective way to learn a language

because you know is it just that simple

to just sort of immerse yourself you

know every day and without studying any

grammar or you know what I mean no

actually I use all the tools of my

disposal if there's a grammar I read it

and I study it if there are

pronunciation guides I read them I study

them I practice them if there aren't any

I don't have access to those I make my

own but I don't exclude things I use

every bit of information I can get but

there's another thing to learning a

foreign language it really helps if you

need to speak it and by that I don't

mean just for business purposes I mean

you put yourself in an environment where

if you can't speak it you can't talk and

I think that's a really important part

of it so you have to create an

environment in which speaking that

language is part of everyday well-being

not just survival but well-being you're

not gonna have any friends if you don't

speak the language you won't have

anybody to tell your problems to so I

use grammar I use monolingual method I

use my my training in phonetics I mean I

would recommend that everybody have some

basic training in phonetics how human

sounds are made and how to perceive

different sounds because the surprising

thing is of the 7,000 plus languages in

the world

they all use the same relatively small

set of a couple of hundred sounds hmm

and that's it

what would be your message to anybody

out there who is who is trying to learn

a language and you know maybe it's not

their first time you know maybe it's

like the second attempt and they feel

like they're not progressing and they're

frustrated and like what would you

sort of say to somebody who who really

wants to learn a language but sort of

doesn't doesn't know what to do you know

first key you'll never regret it for as

long as you live once you learn that

language you'll never wish you hadn't

learned second practice every day if you

can be with speakers that's great listen

to the music in that language try to

read books in that language I mean I

used to read brazilian news magazines

when I understood very little and I

would circle all the words that I didn't

know which was most of them and I would

work on those and I would listen to

Brazilian TV and I didn't understand any

of it and I would go outside and talk to

Brazilians I mean I used to pay people

to come by and just talk to me

and so people would come and just sit

with me for an hour and talk to me and I

said but I'm not paying you if you don't

correct me you have to correct me and

then all kinds of methods one can come

up with but stick with it and practice

and put yourself in a place where you

need to speak if it's at all possible

it's so difficult for me not difficult

for me frustrating it angers me so much

to see so much of that what you were

talking about before you know companies

making promises about learning a lenguage 90 days 

 and you know

the easy way you know five minutes a day

and all that stuff it it it's very

frustrating it's just like trying to get

your body in shape you can find machines

that help but there's no machine that's

gonna get your body in shape in 90 days

well they're gonna get you in better

shape in 90 days but if you want to

really get in shape you gotta work at it

every day and the funny thing is you got

to practice you got to do it you know

it's hard it's just hard to get in shape

and stay in shape hmm but is it worth it

well you add years to your life you feel

a lot better yeah I think it's worth it

to do that but it is not free no good I

mean these things no pain no gain you're

absolutely right

I agree well so it has been an honor to

talk to you today thanks it's been great

to talk to you too so there you go

the person who probably knows more about

language than most people on the planet

giving you the secret to learning a

language free and the secret is that

there is no secret it's just hard work

and dedication and it's really important

for you to know this because it is the

truth and unless you really understand

the truth you're not going to succeed at

learning a language and I want you all

to succeed because I want you to

remember the other really important

thing that Dan said learning a language

will change your life

and that's what I want for you I'm

Christian this is kangaroo English I'll

see you in class

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stop studying and start communicating

learning a language is really really

really hard if you want to succeed at

learning a language you have to immerse

yourself and you have to have patience

and learning a language can change your

life I have been saying the same things

on my youtube channel for almost four

years and I'm sure that you are all sick

and tired of me repeating myself so

today you are going to hear from

somebody different but not just anybody

one of the most important and

influential people working in the field

of language today author of multiple

papers and books about language and

culture mr. Daniel Everett hello Dan

Everett thank you thank you very much

for talking to me it's great to be you

know people who do know you I think your

most famous for your work with with the

Peter Han language and all of that but

but for people who don't know you could

you sort of just introduce yourself sure I began my career 

 wanting to be a missionary in Brazil

and went down to the Amazon to translate

the Bible for a group of

hunter-gatherers and along the way the

reverse conversion went on where I

became an atheist like they are and I

got more interested in language and

anthropology and so for the past 30

years or so I've been doing a range of

research on the peterhall language and

other languages about the nature of

human language the nature of human

cognition and culture and I've written

several books on these topics yes yes

and in fact I have a copy here of you of

your new book which is called how

language began which which is an

incredible book I really I really

enjoyed it

what and I think I think for me the most

maybe the most shocking thing is that

you know I tell my students now that

that language has existed for at least

sixty five thousand years because that

seemed to be the figure that always came

up you know in in the agreed consensus

but but your new book puts the date much

further back yes I  mean really depends

on the perspective you take in the evidence that you

look for but the sixty five thousand to

I mean you get people saying fifty

thousand sixty-five thousand a hundred

thousand some people have put it as far

back as four hundred thousand years ago

with Neanderthals but I do think that

the evidence is strong and I try to

present it in the book that in fact homo

erectus more than a million years ago

almost certainly had language when we

look at the total array of

accomplishments of that species and

colleague of mine from the University of

Liverpool Department of Archaeology and

I are working on an article together

looking more closely at homo erectus

tools and arguing that those were

symbolic and if they're symbolic than

they had language my interest really is

in is in language teaching and language

learning and I'm just if you don't mind

I wanted to read you a quote from from

page five of your book I don't know if

it's a strange for you to have somebody

read your your words back to you okay

but it says here um language did not

fully begin when the first hominid

uttered the first word or sentence it

began in earnest only with the first

conversation which is both the source

and the goal of language indeed language

changes lives it builds society

expresses our highest aspirations our

basest thoughts our emotions and our

philosophies of life but all language is

ultimately at the surface of human

interaction other components of language

things like grammar and stories are

secondary to conversation

and like for me reading that you know as

a teacher and this is something I'm

interested in your perspective you know

as a teacher to me I think that that

message is lost in the world of language

in the world of language teaching and

learning you know that the communication

is is priority basically completely I

think if you can't communicate if you

can't carry on a conversation there's no

sense of what you speak that language

I mean we've all come up against really

smart college students for example or

high school students who who've learned

a lot of English grammar or some other

languages grammar and they can pronounce

the words perfectly they just can't take

part in a meaningful conversation in my

experience because I teach English here

in Spain a really common thing here that

students have great grammar you know you

can give them a worksheet and I can do

the worksheet in record time but you

know the minute you you put them in any

kind of conversation they just they have

no experience in conversation what do

you think about the state of language

sort of learning today obviously used to

be the center of Education I mean if you

go back a hundred years especially to

the UK and the so-called classical

education learning a foreign language

although they were ironically tended to

be dead languages Latin and Greek but

learning a foreign language was

considered extremely important for

teaching people about thinking I mean

that's one of the most important things

about language learning to me is that

when you learn to converse with other

people you learn about other ways of

thinking other ways of looking at the

world but it's really hard to do that

which is extremely difficult I don't

think there's any mystery to it people

ignore the benefits of learning a

language because it is so hard to learn

it but if you break it down into

percentages of your life it really does

it take all that long you know let's say

that you know I give these things called

monolingual demonstrations where I show

people how to start learning the

language when there's no language in

common and then I joke at the end of it

which is actually not a joke just do

this every day for a few years there's

just no shortcut you see these methods

learn such-and-such a 90 days there's no

such shortcut that they don't exist the

language learning takes a lot of your

time a good part of your life and all I

can say though is that it lasts for the

rest of your life with very little

maintenance required and it is the

benefits are just incredible no one is

ever I've never heard anyone say oh gee

I'm sorry I speak Spanish it's terrible

that I've learned to speak French I mean

people who speak these languages take

great pride in the fact that they can

speak them and they can go there and

identify with the people I just can't

think of anything that gives me more

pleasure than to be able to listen to

Peter house speaking on a text I

recorded and know what they're talking

about or listen to music and Portuguese

and really understand that read books

and Portuguese these are things that

have changed my life and and made it

better I wished I spoke more languages

but unfortunately hey you know I speak four

 and that's about it okay because

I know that's something that you've

talked about in the past it's like why

why is it important for people to learn

languages because you know monolingual

English speakers you know we're in a

very lucky position in the world the

onus is on everyone else to learn

English right you know that's how it

feels right

what's our incentive to learn French or

Peter Han or when you're in another

country sure I can speak English in in

Paris and I can speak English in Beijing

but I'm just a number then I'm not

somebody who stands out as respecting

their culture and respecting their

language and wanting to make an effort

to oui

we show them how much I respect them and

so when you learn another language you

develop a level of relationship with the

speakers of that language that you

simply cannot develop so if you're

business person trying to sell a product

in China if you've taken the time to

learn Chinese Mandarin or Cantonese or

whatever actual language you're learning

that resonates well with the people

especially if it goes along with the

food you know I mean cultural

acquisition is should be seamless the

PETA hunt told me one time that one

reason they saw me eating a salad

because I brought in a salad by plane

when they came in and missed the

vegetables and they said that's why you

still don't speak our language well

because we don't eat leaves and learning

the language is making a fool of

yourself a lot and that's just the way

it is you know my kids went to Brazil

when I went to Brazil and they got into

Brazilian schools and by the end of the

first six months they all spoke perfect

Portuguese and I was still struggling so

I spoke at my daughter's school my

oldest daughters schools I think she was

in fifth grade and on the way home she

told me all the things I did wrong

that's just what happens when you learn

language you've got put yourself out

there yeah I agree

um and it's interesting what you were

saying before about about learning

languages is making a fool of yourself

because I think that's another thing

that that a lot of language classes

don't don't deal with is the element of

fear because it can really paralyze

people you know people might have all

this great knowledge in their head but

they just can't you know they're too

afraid to have a conversation or to you

know like the word for coconut is cocoa

and the word for feces is cocoa and

asking for an ice cream of the wrong

kind and my kids were just they loved

every second of it they just we're

laughing and they they just loved every

bit of my mistakes because they didn't

make them in fact they say to me now

they're all fully grown and they say

thanks so much for Portuguese I don't

ever even remember learning it but now

it's just as much a part of me as

English's you mentioned earlier that

that you know you say at the end of your

monolingual demonstrations you say you

sort of joke that you just repeat that

every day and then you'll learn a

language but I'm wondering you know

maybe what what the science might might

tell us about about really what is a

really effective way to learn a language

because you know is it just that simple

to just sort of immerse yourself you

know every day and without studying any

grammar or you know what I mean no

actually I use all the tools of my

disposal if there's a grammar I read it

and I study it if there are

pronunciation guides I read them I study

them I practice them if there aren't any

I don't have access to those I make my

own but I don't exclude things I use

every bit of information I can get but

there's another thing to learning a

foreign language it really helps if you

need to speak it and by that I don't

mean just for business purposes I mean

you put yourself in an environment where

if you can't speak it you can't talk and

I think that's a really important part

of it so you have to create an

environment in which speaking that

language is part of everyday well-being

not just survival but well-being you're

not gonna have any friends if you don't

speak the language you won't have

anybody to tell your problems to so I

use grammar I use monolingual method I

use my my training in phonetics I mean I

would recommend that everybody have some

basic training in phonetics how human

sounds are made and how to perceive

different sounds because the surprising

thing is of the 7,000 plus languages in

the world

they all use the same relatively small

set of a couple of hundred sounds hmm

and that's it

what would be your message to anybody

out there who is who is trying to learn

a language and you know maybe it's not

their first time you know maybe it's

like the second attempt and they feel

like they're not progressing and they're

frustrated and like what would you

sort of say to somebody who who really

wants to learn a language but sort of

doesn't doesn't know what to do you know

first key you'll never regret it for as

long as you live once you learn that

language you'll never wish you hadn't

learned second practice every day if you

can be with speakers that's great listen

to the music in that language try to

read books in that language I mean I

used to read brazilian news magazines

when I understood very little and I

would circle all the words that I didn't

know which was most of them and I would

work on those and I would listen to

Brazilian TV and I didn't understand any

of it and I would go outside and talk to

Brazilians I mean I used to pay people

to come by and just talk to me

and so people would come and just sit

with me for an hour and talk to me and I

said but I'm not paying you if you don't

correct me you have to correct me and

then all kinds of methods one can come

up with but stick with it and practice

and put yourself in a place where you

need to speak if it's at all possible

it's so difficult for me not difficult

for me frustrating it angers me so much

to see so much of that what you were

talking about before you know companies

making promises about learning a lenguage 90 days 

 and you know

the easy way you know five minutes a day

and all that stuff it it it's very

frustrating it's just like trying to get

your body in shape you can find machines

that help but there's no machine that's

gonna get your body in shape in 90 days

well they're gonna get you in better

shape in 90 days but if you want to

really get in shape you gotta work at it

every day and the funny thing is you got

to practice you got to do it you know

it's hard it's just hard to get in shape

and stay in shape hmm but is it worth it

well you add years to your life you feel

a lot better yeah I think it's worth it

to do that but it is not free no good I

mean these things no pain no gain you're

absolutely right

I agree well so it has been an honor to

talk to you today thanks it's been great

to talk to you too so there you go

the person who probably knows more about

language than most people on the planet

giving you the secret to learning a

language free and the secret is that

there is no secret it's just hard work

and dedication and it's really important

for you to know this because it is the

truth and unless you really understand

the truth you're not going to succeed at

learning a language and I want you all

to succeed because I want you to

remember the other really important

thing that Dan said learning a language

will change your life

and that's what I want for you I'm

Christian this is kangaroo English I'll

see you in class

[Music]


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