Getting *** taken down is a scumbag move.
Does not seem to make any sense; just relax, why make a drama out of it.
Scumbag human reporting in and awaiting further evidence to pass judgment. Meanwhile, I just renewed my subscription. Excited for 5.0 and new languages. :D
I am also curious about 5.0.
If the UI/UX is improved AND if it can be used offline, I might make the switch from LWT.
We need more information on 5.0!
so maybe it's best to hold off on using words like "scumbag humans" and "cockroaches."
Not to mention that the OP even insulted users who asked for more evidence calling them "sycophants".
OP seems to suffer from a serious case of internet moral panic, along the lines of
[Just replace YT with Reddit]
His couple-dozen posts on this forum already indicate an inability to control his emotions very well. I doubt he'll apologise for these comments.
Not just "more" evidence. How about *any* evidence =)
I am OP of one of the Reddit posts quoted in this thread (the "a more moderate ..." one.) I continue to update that thread as new information comes in. LingQ has never been directly accused by the LWT or FLTR creators, or myself, as the instigator of whatever "legal disputes" the projects may be referring to; and the projects have not cited who the legal aggressor is. Nor will they, at this point, because their entire project pages and sources have been completely removed and now lead to 404 pages.
I have attempted to contact both projects to gain a) more information, and b) project sources for mirroring at my gitlab repository. There has been no response.
I have requested LingQ and Readlang to publicly comment. LingQ and Steve Kaufmann hav responded to Twitter post questions and these forums with what appears to be a genuine lack of knowledge. I have not received or been able to locate a response from ReadLang. Neither company has issued a direct statement, whether that be a denial of responsibility, or statement of solidarity and poo-poo-shame-on-you directed at whoever brought trouble to these projects.
Neither LingQ or Readlang has responded to the question of whether they, too, have received legal threat.
Those interested in the LWT software should seek my Reddit post in /r/languagelearning "a more moderate ..." where I have shared a link to a code mirror. Also, that reddit thread is where I am posting information updates as I am able to determine them. As much as is possible, I am quoting first-party or otherwise authoritatively verifiable sources.
There is also what seems like a knee jerk assumption by a lot of people that L WT was not at fault of any kind in the legal case they are referring to. It is entirely possible that they were in fact using some kind of patent or other material — software code etc. that was under some protection. We simply do not have sufficient information about what happened to make these accusations against LingQ or anyone else.
The accusations against LingQ stem mostly from somewhat ambiguous language in the original notice from LWT in the way LinqQ was recommended as an alternative.
You are correct in that we lack sufficient information to draw any conclusions, or even speculation, as to the extent LWT or FLTR may have legitimately, with or without foreknowledge, infringed on somebody else's intellectual property, or utilized a service without authorization.
However, in my long-time use of LWT(1), I find it unlikely. All 3rd party software or software libraries used by LWT are open-source and their licenses are separately and individually referenced without claim of ownership right by LWT. 3rd party services of, for example, dictionaries or typefaces and fonts are configurable by each user and not the LWT software. While the software enables use, it does not itself establish use, which should free the software of any possible IP liability in that regard(2).
(1) LWT can be run in a VM on my local computer so I do not need internet access to use it, unlike LingQ or ReadLang. I spend weeks and months at sea without network access, so this feature is vital if I wish to use this method of language training.
(2) I am not a lawyer and do not write this with any authority. It is personal opinion and conjecture.
Just as a practical advice, in case it helps, if you’re out at sea without internet, you could use a Kindle with built in dictionary as well as — or in combination with — comparative reading NL/TL editions of the same book and get great results. That’s what I would do in your case — and in fact that’s what I used to do before I started using LingQ. Apps like L WT and others add speed, convenience, and progress tracking to the process, but their effects are reproducable by other means.
I have replicated that without locking myself into the Amazon silo and rendering myself vulnerable to their whimsy.
I prefer LWT. Until the version I mirrored at my GitLab repository becomes unusable for some reason, I'll keep using it.
We obviously had nothing to do with this. We don't issue legal challenges. We have never corresponded with anyone from either product. Whoever started LWT years ago would try and promote their product on our forum so we blocked the name from our forum to try and stop this behaviour. The notice on their site seems to suggest that they got tired of supporting their product and shut down. They seem to be recommending LingQ as an alternative, which seems unlikely if we were the source of their shutdown. The ridiculously aggressive tone, based on zero evidence from the OP is truly amazing.
I also thought it was LingQ at first, but there's no real evidence yet. You also should at least show some proper manners, businesses are here for money after all. Although if i were LingQ i wouldn't take this post down, you know what they say about deleting criticism...
I'm not going to defend the UX/UI of LingQ as that is a separate matter.
However, there isn't any credible evidence that LingQ is responsible for the take down, so your language is unnecessarily aggressive and subjecting LingQ to a smear campaign when they may not have done anything wrong is wholly unfair.
The attack first ,facts later, approach just doesn't seem right.
They both got taken down on the same day over a lack of wanting to fight 'legal issues' and both directed users directly to this website. Steve Kaufmann also hasn't denied it in a response to someone else who directed this at him on Twitter. It was definitely LingQ's doing, but sycophants gonna sycophant. People could sell you ice if you were eskimos.
He has denied it. I don't know, exactly what's going on. Obviously, it is a blow to users of LWT but you are extremely angry to the point it seems unhealthy to be honest.
For the level of certainty (and anger) in your posts, you have provided no actual concrete evidence. The censoring on this forum is indeed annoying and should be removed, however you're making some pretty serious allegations here. Are these based on anything more than uncharitable assumption? If not, can you provide actual proof, please?
Both were taken down due to impending legal issues and then directed their users here. If that's not proof enough for you i have a bridge you can buy.
In order to avoid legal disputes, the LWT software is no longer available.
Try LINGQ: https://www.lingq.com
I got the above message after downloading their software.
The key question should be asked here, who is the guilty party here- if they are the right party they should take legal action against LINGQ?
OP, I'm completely convinced (sarcasm).
Have you gone barking at other rivals like Readlang (owned by duolingo). Could just as well have been them, or someone else. Or maybe it's not even related to languages in particular, but maybe the code or libraries they were using in their software itself?
I'm sorry the software is gone. I think it's good to have the competition as it spurs everyone to improve, but you seem to have no idea what you're talking about. You've provided zero evidence, other than two sites were taken down...which isn't even evidence of anything.
What you’re offering here is called conjecture, which is distinctly different from proof, or evidence. This whole thing started by someone spouting said conjecture on Reddit without any proof to back it up, and now it’s turning into a cybermobbing incident.
Surely this is more of an indication that Lingq was not behind the shutdown. If a rival would shut me down, I would not make an advertisement for him in my shutdown note.
Has this been confirmed by LWT? The reddit post that mentioned it was pure speculation.
no, they have no evidence as far as I can tell, there's still the possibility that the guys who took the software down just direct people to lingq because it's the closest thing available to the software people are looking for
More information please. Which is that rival website?
Not allowed to write it here it gets asterix'd out. One helps you learn with texts and another is a text reader for foreign languages. Google it and you'll find out, i'm currently in the middle of letting every major youtube channel, every channel talking about LingQ, every relevant twitter and instagram account and facebook know about this. The miniscule amount of sub money they were going to get from the handful of people who used these softwares is going to be nothing compared to the amount of people who will now see what they have done.
Absolutely horrible behaviour. The sycophants on here will defend it, of course, but everyone else sees the truth even though LingQ have (laughably) denied it was them. They forced the softwares down on the same day and had them both redirect to this website instead. Cockroaches.
I tried googling it but couldn't find out what you are talking about. Maybe mention the rival website name in a foreign language perhaps that way we can google it and see what you are talking about. Right now we have no clue about what you are ranting about.
He is talking about Learning With Text (LWT) https://sourceforge.net/projects/lwt/
It was taken down and its description was replaced by:
" In order to avoid legal disputes, the LWT software is no longer available. Try LINGQ: "
A few reddit users posted on r/languagelearning claiming that LingQ sued LWT to take down its competitor.
This was denied by LingQ on their twitter and so far no word from LWT.
In my opinion this is just a big misunderstanding. The original statement did not say the legal dispute was with LingQ (it merely recommended it as an alternative). No one has reached out to LWT to ask them for more info, but some people seem to want to assume the worst and go with it. I doubt LingQ even has the authority to shut LWT down. What could they claim the right to?
whatever that software is, if it is released under public domain so it should not be a problem for lingq or any other language learning portal like FluentU or various others, if your product is good enough it should have loyal customers. We can not accuse Lingq or any other website until we have facts from both parties right now we have a few posts to go by no official statements by involved parties. I will not use offensive language until I hear the real story from both parties.
Plenty of people have reached out to Lingq, and where they've been able to they have deleted comments without answer. They can't do that on twitter.
Please tell me of a plausible situation whereby two different foreign language tools similar to LingQ are taken down on the same day, and BOTH of them state legal issues as the reason and BOTH of them redirect to the only competitor, and yet LingQ aren't responsible. Please tell me a situation whereby this could possibly be someone else threatening legal action.
After the massive backlash against LingQ today they have now removed the suggestion that you go try LingQ. As for LingQ not 'having the authority' to shut them down - of course they don't, nobody said LingQ forced them to shut down, but the threat of LEGAL action made them voluntarily shut down.
Competitors close down just as an expensive rebrand of LingQ is coming up, both citing legal issues and redirecting to the ONLY other competitor.
Nothing to see here, all above board. Keep giving Kaufmann your money for his broken software.
I don't have any information on this, and will wait until I hear something more conclusive than speculation.
Obviously this is a something that you have strong, negative feelings, but it would be nice if we all kept it in mind that Lingq is run by individual human beings with feelings, so maybe it's best to hold off on using words like "scumbag humans" and "cockroaches."
I think it would be a good idea to provide some solid evidence on what is happening before you try to destroy somebody on social media with baseless claims. Cancel culture has gone too far.