Discussion about LingQ at HTLAL
@ kimojima - "a 100 word LingQ residual isn't very much, but I could probably make it work."
I created more than 1200 LingQs at the weekend. I doubt I could make it work. :D
1. What the heck is mentality? It's not that complex. You talk, listen, read, and write. You do more of those, you get better. No tricks.
2. Plan of action...um, do it.
3. Except it may lead to a crappy accent and should include a disclaimer of, "I studied it in school for 5 years so I have a good base in tenses, conjugations, prepositions, syntax, and grammar in general."
5. Google search.
6. I guess this is helpful?
Interview: youtube will probably yield the same.
Tips from somebody without formal education in teaching and who disregards research done by very accomplished figures in the linguistic community regarding second language acquisition differences between children and adults...no thank you!
You can't just make something easier by saying, "It is all about attitude, go get em tiger!" Some things are harder than others. Trying to get into Harvard Law vs getting into a junior college...big difference. Learning Chinese to a C2 level as an English native vs learning Spanish to a C2 level--big difference.
Now, something like this makes sense and is reasonable. "Chinese is very hard, much harder than Spanish. But you can reach your goals if you work for a long time."
"I can summarize the language hacking guide even without reading it."
You are wrong. I have a copy. It has six parts:
LANGUAGE HACKING GUIDE
Table of contents:
Part 1: Mentality
Part 2. Plan of action
Part 3: Communicating from Day One
Part 4: Speaking with natives
Part 5: Learning Resources
Part 6: Particular Language issues
IMHO, you can find everything on his website.
Learning With Texts
What is this *** that people are talking about? Swear words?
The post is definetly useful. I'd heard of most of the things on there already, but I'm sure those who are new to the internet language learning world would find something that will change the way they learn. It is a shame how he basically tells people to go to lwt instead. I tried it on his reccomendation more than a year ago, long before I found out about lingq, and I got tired of it after a day.
I looked at the French and Spanish FSI courses a while back, and they looked way too boring for me. That being said, if I ever learn something exotic like Vietnemese or Swahili I'm sure I'll find use for them.
I liked this post of Benny's. I had not heard of the FSI courses, but having had a look at them, they look good. The only thing I didn't like is his nonsense statement that LingQ is 'essentially exactly the same as 100% free LWT'. How he can think this, I do not know.
What did you mean by wizard? I'm such a wizard that I don't need a pep talk book to learn a language?
Is that seriously a language hack? Face palm.
Wow Caza, you have not read it yet? You must be a wizard.
One thing wrong though. He has a language "hack" that involves mixing your native language with your target language to improve flow.
I can summarize the language hacking guide even without reading it.
1. Don't speak English or your native language when abroad.
2. Think in target language, change phone to target language, email account to target language.
3. Have all your friends be target language speakers.
4. Buy airplane ticket on sale, they are usually cheapest when bought on Tuesday, Wednesday and when traveling on Tuesday, Wednesday. Buy about 3 weeks in advance for domestic flights and 8 weeks in advance for foreign trips. (There are exceptions, but this is what the recent data suggests)
5. Have all your music be in target language.
6. Do couchsurfing to save on hotels.
7. Listen to podcasts when walking around, be efficient in practicing.
8. No languages are more or less difficult; it is all about your attitude. (this is bull, but this is what he clings to despite all evidence to the contrary. So we take two monoglot Spaniards with equal intelligence and tell them, you have a test in one year and depending on your proficiency, you may lose your job and get put in jail. One gets sent to China and the other goes to Italy. I wonder who will be a heck of a lot better.)
9. Rinse and repeat.
(All this advice is common sense stuff, but there are no shortcuts)
(Since I have done this in the past, I wonder what else he would advise to me. Dream in target language? I guess I could will myself to do that! Yeah right...)
A propos to the guy who was talking about lwt:
So Benny just posted a list of free resources for language learning, and he mentioned Lingq, which is all fine and cool. He reccomends importing Lingq lessons on to LWT, which I find a little odd. I find that a bit like if I had a large blog (which I don't) and then offered to give you each a free copy of Benny's book in an e-mail (which I'd be willing to do if you're interested).
Anyone on here been banned from commenting on his site after this article?
@J_4_J I don't know about djvlbass and I've never told a guy at a bar I'm an atheist, but I'd imagine that, in my part of the country, most would give you a funny look and stop talking to you. Others wouldn't be able to resist saying something nasty. Some might even be uncomfortable sitting next to you. A fairly small percentage would take it in stride. I don't think anyone would beat you up. The random people aren't the ones I'm concerned about.
@Steve: "...The issue is whether the people posting on these forums are considered free, independent people or school children in a classroom, in my view. We take the former view at LingQ and HTLAL the latter view..."
I agree. I sometimes read the HTLAL forum, but I would certainly never post there.
In my opinion there is a kind of 'nastiness' (for want of a better word) about their forum. They pose as being all grown-up and civilized, etc, but the reality (as with nearly all censorship forums) is that some of the moderators will just be arrogant bullies who abuse their position to push people around who are saying things they don't like or don't agree with.
And who moderates these moderators? How carefully are they chosen? What qualifies them to have a special status?
At HTLAL they have actually been known to have (I'm pretty sure) teenagers as moderators! And these guys are then allowed to bully and pester people with so much more knowledge and experience.
Obviously they are right to delete spam, racism, and extreme personal abuse. But beyond that censorship is always wrong, in my opinion.
djvlbass: "...@Colin: So in Scotland if you told an average guy in a bar (pub?) that you are an atheist, what would happen?..."
As Colin says, it's likely nothing would happen (i.e. whether people agreed or disagreed, it's likely they would be cool.)
But what is going to happen where you live in America?
You're surely not telling me atheists get beaten up in bars because of their opinions??
[edit: the post that I am responding to here no longer exists]
@ franzkafka - I don't think it is fair to compare LingQ censuring discussions about competing software with HTLAL censorship and Benny deleting every post that is critical of him (he deleted my first post on his website, and I was blocked from commenting on his YouTube channel after my first post). This is like comparing censorship in the United States with censorship in North Korea simply because you are not allowed to use swearwords on day time television in the USA. Let's keep our sense of proportion here.
For example, if somebody took Benny's language hacking guide, rewrote it with mostly identical content in an almost identical layout, and starting sharing it free online saying that it was the free alternative to Benny's language hacking guide and contains all of the information that Benny's guide has, then of course he would delete comments referring to it on his website. I certainly would, and I would not criticise him for doing so.
Rubbish. Must be spam, since franzkafka joined minutes before posting this. There's more to LingQ than just it's software.
In order of restricted free speech to almost uninhibited free speech:
Fluent in 3 months→HTLAL→LingQ.
I see the benefit of the HTLAL method of closing some threads, but definitely not the Fluent in 3 months one. That website is like a propaganda website with strict censorship. EVERYTHING is VERY positive and no dissension is allowed. Personally, I think the LingQ one is best; as long as nobody is saying very hurtful, racist comments, for example.
The issue is whether the people posting on these forums are considered free, independent people or school children in a classroom, in my view. We take the former view at LingQ and HTLAL the latter view.
Is the discussion going off the topic of languages a reason for the people in control to tell the people having the discussion to stop having it?
Why? Because some topics don't have much to do with languages and very soon turn even more off-topic, perhaps? I've seen quite a few threads over the years where some members just couldn't refrain from being blunt, bringing up anything but languages (when the forum is in fact about languages and language learning), offending other members ad nauseam.
I don't understand why threads get shut down at all. I have seen threads on forums get shut down because the people in control decided that everybody had made all the points that they had to make and people were just repeating themselves. Why is that a reason to shut down a thread? Why not just let people repeat themselves over and over?
@cazasigiloso I know what you mean, but I didn't mind that so much. Some threads got locked when people still had reasonable points to respond to, but, hey, the site is set up with rules in place about what topics are off limits and what types of attacks aren't allowed. In my opinion the moderators enforced those rules judiciously.
@kcb: I didn't think that they allowed arguments there! It is always, "We are closing this thread." (moderator)
So in Scotland if you told an average guy in a bar (pub?) that you are an atheist, what would happen?
@ kcb - That blows.
@Colin I work in a particularly conservative area in California and I can't let people find out I'm an atheist because I'm certain I'd lose all my clients :(
I tried to like the HTLAL forums, I really did, but it wasn't happening. I don't like how most people form arguments there. Come to think of it, I don't like how most people form 'arguments' here or anywhere, which is why I mostly don't engage in debates.
At HTLAL they seem to glorify being a language geek and I couldn't stand that creeping in to every thread. It's like the kids at school that did weird things in order to continue being seen as weird. I don't understand the desire to be weird and I don't understand the general attitude at HTLAL. Who knows? Maybe they don't like LingQ because it doesn't have weird enough languages : /
Because I just finished a British Literature course I have a temporary disdain for poetry that I fear might turn permanent if I'm not careful.
I can't go around saying I'm an atheist.
I don't know if you seen too many movies taking place in the rural south? I grew up in a town that was, twenty years ago, basically a tobacco plantation. Now its becoming (sub)urbanized, and there was a certan chasm between us northerners who moved here because of a growing tech-sector, and the natives. Most people attend those mega-churches you see in documentaries, and they have a very friendly attitude towards one another, but not so much to those outside their realm.
I was really far outside their realm and I'm not sure they knew what to do with me. I live in the state capital now and its totally different. Still, the state legislature is moving further to the right on social issues; trying to instate a state religion, they added a constitutional ammendment banning gay mairrage (already illegal). They are about to pass a bill that will REDUCE the amount of days available for people to vote, including getting rid of voting on Sunday, which is the day African Americans tend to vote. The districts have been gerry-mandered so that most votes that matter come from rural towns.
Long story short I'm trying to figure out a way to move to Seattle or Vermont.
What kind of stuff do you get where you live? In the UK, there was no problem whatsoever with being atheist. Nobody cares.
I have never seen ballet, but I can imagine enjoying it. I also really like poetry (so long as it rhymes and has a steady rhythm). When I said I do not like art, I was referring to things like paintings, sculptures, and especially modern art.
Still, there are definetly parties in youtube comments that seem to think there should be a seperation between lingq as a business and Steve's thoughts on how languages should be learned. I just can't understand why these things should be seperated; if you don't like the philosophy behind lingq, don't pay for it!
I think people with our lack of religious belief gain a sense of humor in its regard pretty quickly. Where I live its an essential survival mechanism. I've definetly met some humorless atheists who get offended pretty easily, and they are for sure not fun to be around.
I can't understand ballet, that has presented some problems in the past...
I don't think people are genuinely irked by other people having opinions, or even by people having opinions that are different to their own. I think people generally are irked by *certain* opinions that contradict their own, and which opinions irk them tend to be rather random. For example, somebody might be very religious, and yet not have a problem with people thinking their religion is nonsense, while at the same time get upset about people's opinions on the placement of the Oxford comma. I find myself annoyed by people who think that I am less sophisticated or cultured because I don't care about art, and don't know anything about famous painters, but I don't care about people calling me a 'god-hating fanatic' or other such stuff because I am not religious. I have no idea why I get annoyed at some opinions and not at others; it appears to be random.
If the good people at this other forum are annoyed by something Steve says, it is probably because Steve says things that randomly annoy them. I don't think it because they are irked by people having opinions.
"Shouldn't everyone who's a member of LingQ have a general bias towards LingQ? The people here are all about this system"
I drive a Toyota, but that does not keep me from buying a Honda. If something better came along I'd jump right over.
The system is set up to help learn, and not to teach. I see youtube posters, and sometimes posters here, talking about how lingq is too difficult to use, or overall unintutitive. Those guys can go buy Rosetta Stone and get all the intuitiveness they want.
Steve obviously has an opinion and that irks a lot of people at HTLAL. I am generally irked by people who are are irked by people having opinions.
Shouldn't everyone who's a member of LingQ have a general bias towards LingQ? The people here are all about this system which, don't get me wrong is fantastic! But often times I venture onto the HTLAL forum, it's different. People have all sorts of opinions and it's nice to learn about different learning styles because I personally like to combine them.
I think the lingq people are more realistic than the HTLAL people, but maybe that is because I just started posting on this forum. On HTLAL they seem to love Benny Lewis more than here. On the input and output spectrum, I think I'm a tiny bit more towards the input but definitely very close to the middle. The people here seem to be pretty big input people, obviously.
(Disclaimer: I would have nothing against him if he were just honest about his proficiency, what his method really entails, and if he wouldn't be severely misleading so that people buy his book or, god forbid, spend 249 dollars an hour for a chat)
I think the people at HTLAL, like the people on the forum here, like discussing this subject (which is why they go to the forum), which is why they spend so much time harping on.
I have to say, I am amazed at the amount of time Steve has to spend defending LingQ. This is a system which provides a huge amount of resources for *free* if so desired. Why, then, folks would spend so much time harping on about problems is really beyond me. If you don't like it, go do something you do like. The whole point of Steve's philosophy seems to be do what interests you, as such, he's never, to my knowledge, claimed that LingQ is some panacea.
For some people life never really seems to be that Ponyhof.
There are better websites to ask that than here, Victom.
How should i kill myself?
@skyblue None of the books that I buy say that you can "master" something in a few weeks. They aren't language books but related to my schoolwork. They just expand my always insufficient knowledge of the subject (s).
Going back to HTLAL, I tried to register to make a comment on their forum. One of the mandatory questions is: why do you want to learn languages? I thought about that question for a while (I don't WANT TO, I DO learn them), then decided I didn't really want to join them.
"If the triple asterisk software gives you a product you can use offline, then that could be nice (if you have an unreliable internet connection, say), but if it means I have to work alone, then it's not going to be useful. "
It can be used offline, but since it relies on online dictionaries, you would lose the ability to automatically look up words. When I started learning German about 9 months ago, I also had no idea what it would take. I overestimated the difficulties of some things, such as grammar und speaking, and I underestimated the difficulties of other things, such as learning vocabulary and comprehension. I remember reading the suggestion that one can use LingQ for free by making the 100 LingQs, learning them, and then deleting them. What an idea!
@Colin: "I had to type in every single word that I wanted to save. This is tedious and slow."
Yeah, ditto. When I started on LingQ I had no real understanding of the amount of time it would take me to make a significant difference to my language levels. I had no concept of the number of LingQs I would have to create and learn, and what information I would need to store about each new word. I really needed the running partners that LingQ provided me. I need to see the kind of hints other people are creating, and to steal....er, be inspired by, the best ones. If the triple asterisk software gives you a product you can use offline, then that could be nice (if you have an unreliable internet connection, say), but if it means I have to work alone, then it's not going to be useful.
@cazasigiloso: "a lot of those people seem to have drunk the kool-aid that says that you can be a C2, native level that lets you do "anything in target language that you can do in native language" in 3 months."
It's implicit in the name, really. [We will show you] "how to learn any language" [as a short-term project, so then you can go off and do something else].
After all, if you buy a book called "How to..." you expect to be able to master its contents in weeks rather than years, don't you?
Whereas LingQ is very clear in its marketing that it's a language learning (a process not a magic solution) community. It does what it says on the tin.
HTLAL is ok, but one big issue is that they are big at censuring threads. You can barely speak your mind and your post gets deleted or the thread closed. And a lot of those people seem to have drunk the kool-aid that says that you can be a C2, native level that lets you do "anything in target language that you can do in native language" in 3 months.
As I said, I used the triple asterisk software for a while before starting with LingQ. It is good, but it is nowhere near as good as the reading interface here. The biggest difference for me was the lack of user hints, which meant I had to type in every single word that I wanted to save. This is tedious and slow. I have created more than 18,000 LingQs here. If it had taken me 10 seconds to look up and type in the correct hint for each LingQ, that would be 50 full hours spend doing nothing but creating the hints. Other problems are the lack of Google TTS, not such easy access to Google Translate, the fact that it doesn't work so well on the iPad, the complex install process, and the terrible choices of colours for the highlighting.
Yes, it does seem a bit silly to block those letters but there was a time where the guy from lwt and others were consistently spamming the forum trying to get the word out about it so we did this to discourage that. We are not interested in providing a forum for others to promote their products whatever they may be.
They don't have swear words in Canada.
Maybe lwt is a Canadian swear word, and that is why they censor it?
@dooo I enjoyed seeing that moment of realisation. Pretty amusing
I used to use LWT and I think *** is about the rating I would give it. LingQ gets *****.
Yep, you're right dooo!
@Steve: "massive reading and listening and related vocab review, are the most important language learning activities".
Well, who wants to hear that message about language learning? People want to hear that they can become fluent in 3 months (using an occult process that probably costs a lot of money). Telling people that they can achieve whatever they want, as long as they are prepared to work really hard for a really long time, is never going to win you first place in a popularity contest.
But since I agree with your approach to language learning, I use LingQ, as I still haven't found any other system that supports this learning methodology nearly as effectively.
WAIT A SECOND HERE!!!
If you imagine the acronym that Learning with Texts makes and then try to write it in this forum, it comes out as 3 asterix. Very strange
HUH? L W T does not seem to render normally when put in without spaces between the letters in this forum
What is with the *** in place of LWT? (see above comments for ***)
You know.. It is a two-way street though.. As spammy mcgee moves further along with LWT and it becomes more user friendly, it seems like a very easy jumping off point to possibly an offline version of LingQ that could sync with the website or something along those lines when there's internet access and LingQ could use the Open-Source code as a startpoint, no?
I dunno who it is, Friedemann, but someone or other (possibly Herr Lewis aus dem 'Emerald Isle'?) keeps spamming the forum with infos about a rival system to LingQ!
Right now his ass is gone from this thread - either Steve or Mark must have deleted the posts! ;-)
I guess he's a spammer rather than a troll - technically speaking :-D
Maybe you can block his IP-address?
Well, I have nothing to contribute to the interforum "discussion", but I'd appreciate if any HTLAL mods reading this would please activate my membership that was deactivated when I tried to update my email address about two or three months ago. My username over there is Rincewind.
There is always competition. But we do not spam the forum at Livemocha or Buusu.
I am always amazed at the Chutzpah, or lack of common sense, of someone who regularly spams our forum with information about a system that he claims to be like LingQ, and who specifically encourages people to grab all the content at LingQ, contributed by our members, and take it over to his program.Shortly we will close this thread and will do so whenever this troll stops by, and this is unfortunate since it annoys our members.
@godaddy If LWT did work with Japanese better, I would have been tempted to use it more, but out of the option of hitting the import bookmarket for LingQ here, and choosing Japanese, to having to go through a series of steps (including running the text I want to read through a separate parser), I'm going to pick the one which is easier and has everything in one package. As an aside, if LWT "works indeed with languages which do not use spaces", why would a separate parser be needed? I guess, strictly speaking, I could use it without inserting the spaces, but that would mean treating each unique sentence as a new "word" instead of using the actual words.
As for with other languages, I have actually recommended a friend of mine try out LWT as they were not comfortable paying for a service like LingQ. Unfortunately they did not get on with it, but I don't know if they would have gotten on well with LingQ either, so that's neither here nor there, and I wouldn't hold it against LWT.
@godaddy: "LWT runs on iPads and other tablet devices without any problems. Only the texts should not be too long."
It runs, yes, but it's not a pleseant experience on a smaller tablet (I'm talking 7 inch), because you're just displaying a web page full of frames.
From what I understand, LingQ offers a separate mobile app for the iPad. I've not seen it, so I can't comment on how it works. But it's not just browsing to the same web page, is it?
Eh.. LWT looks pretty cool, but I've just grown too terribly attached to my Spanish mariachi avatar to part ways with LingQ now...
HAHA, I deserve , haha!
@TheBrazilianPolyglot "..many times I have been benefited through this distribution of points among the members."
well dude, you deserve some extra points for that reply! xD (kidding, I do not have any :'( )
I'll try give my humble opinion there.
So, how I can't sign there, I will give my opinion here.
First I would like to give my humble opinion on the linngQ and say we can not judge a system without first learning to use it properly.
On 16/10/2009 I signed in LingQ because I felt it was time to learn English here in Brazil we do not have many options other than language courses extremely expensive and of poor quality books.
I decided to start learning English at LingQ and as I was lost in the site and did not know how to begin, where to begin, the entire team of LingQ answered my questions with great enthusiasm and concern about whether I had understood how the system worked.
When I learned to use LingQ was as if I had discovered a gold mine because they find unlimited content, audio, text, audio books. A multitude of things that made a difference in my learning of English.
At LingQ I met people, made friends and today I have friends in different parts of the world.The LingQ showed me that the world is much bigger than I thought and that we have learned a new language using the LingQ helped me in school, and at work and in my life. Today I have a great job thanks to the English that I learned using LingQ.
At LingQ I learned English, Italian and I'm learning German, and I am very happy with my progress because I know that everything depends solely on me.
The only thing I can say is, Thank you for everything.
LingQ Method: Works for me and maybe does not work for you because we all learn in different ways.
Flash Cards: They work very well for me and I haven't to complain about. Membership: you need not pay anything to learn, because I studied English for two years with LingQ being a free member. It is a question if you want or not. Forum: Could be a little more organized.
Team LingQ: all well attentive and able to answer all questions.
Steve: It's a great linguist who speaks 11 languages, there is no doubt.
Word count: I think most people care to know how many words they know or how they created lingQs than learning the language of truth, I do not care much for it and I think that if people seek to learn more and caring less , we would learn better.
The LingQ interace has a wonderful, but for people who knew the site in 2009, this 1000 times better. I am not in favor of the points being taken, but many times I have been benefited through this distribution of points among the members.
The forum could be without a little more organized if the members cooperate because they post most often things in the wrong categories.
The LingQ is a site of language learning is not advertising, I agree with the exclusion of any other method or whatever it is at LingQ.
I can only thank and wish good luck to all.
Lucas A.S. Raimondi
I was much more turned off by the LWT interface than I ever was with LingQ's interface. But generally I can put up with a clunky interface.
What is the real killer with LWT is the lack of a mobile app.
The recommendation of LWT is interesting to me - as someone who has tried both, I am glad that I pay for LingQ rather than put up with the issues that I faced with LWT. The interface is much easier to use here, and importantly (for me at least) LingQ works with some languages which do not use spaces, like Japanese.
As an aside, I think the 100 number for LingQs was perfect for me, it was enough for me to dip my toes in and see if I would like the system. I may have put off signing up for longer if the limit was 300 instead. It wasn't until I signed up and didn't have that "burden" over me that I really noticed how useful LingQs were, and now I LingQ everything.
It never ceases to amaze me how much time people spend complaining on the internet. If something is not for you, do not use it. I don't think LingQ is a silver bullet for language learning, but it is a fantastic resource and one that I hope will grow over time.
Here is what I said in response to the various comments there.
I was alerted to this thread by google alerts and would like to comment, as the co-founder of LingQ.
1) I am glad that Wulfgar basically enjoys using LingQ although he has some issues.
2 I do believe that reading and listening, massive reading and listening and related vocab review, are the most important language learning activities. They are also the easiest to arrange and the cheapest. This does not mean that one need not refer to grammar, talk and write. It is just a matter of priority for me, especially in the beginning stages. This is a reflection of my experience. All we try to do at LingQ is make these activities easier and more efficient. Some people like this philosophy others don't. Some people like LingQ, others don't.
3) LingQ is simply an extension, a more efficient way, of doing the kinds of activities that I spent and still spend most of my language learning time on, listening, reading and vocab review.
4) There are 20 languages at LingQ. It works better for some languages than others. I use it from time to time for Japanese and Chinese and am happy, but it is not perfect. Few things in language learning are.
5)The points expiry issue comes up all the time. I do not think most of our learners are concerned about this. Those that are concerned tend to comment on the forum. All of our lessons and content are given to us free of charge and are available for free download. The lesson providers are compensated from confiscated points based on usage. The points expire in 90 days. Members can buy as many or as few points as they want. They can even donate unused points to their friends on the site. This system ensures that points are used, and provides income to content providers. Not shady at all, just a system that we use.
5) The Forum could be improved, but with our limited resources, it is not a priority at this time.
6) Ditto for private messaging.
7) There is no need to click on each blue word. On your first few lessons you can eliminate all the blue words with one click. Thereafter you can also use QuicklingQ to go after new blue words.
8) There is a wide selection of dictionaries for each language. For Korean the most popular one is Naver, which I have used, and find quite good. Google translate is integrated and comes up immediately, but often is inaccurate.
9) The site was much clumsier in 2008. We are now in 2012 and many things have changed.
10) It is only after we reduced the number of free lingqs to 100 from 300, that we have seen a strong growth in paid membership. We have to pay our programmers and other staff, so we prefer any approach that ensures us enough revenue to operate.
11) We don't count numbers as words. Proper names and other unwanted words (non-target language etc. ) can be eliminated from the count by the user.
12) It is easier to count each form of a word, since the definition of what should be included in a word family is arbitrary. I prefer this anyway, and often , in fact, save different forms of the same verb or noun, for a variety of reasons. Not everyone likes this approach, however, but we cannot always agree on everything. I have learned Russian and Czech in this way and feel I have benefited. We cannot conjugate or decline words in different languages, but "Le Conjugeur" and similar resources are available as reference and results can be stored in one's word cards.
13) We do rely on members for translations of our interface, and we appreciate this help. There are lots and lots of people doing this for us. It is too difficult to keep track of who did what in order to reward them with points.
14) Lesson quality is an issue. We have an enormous quantity of lessons. Members can rate them and alert us to bad content, for us to cull. All lessons are free to the users, so it is just a matter of choosing lessons that you like. The Library is one of many areas we will be improving over the next few months.
15) We do not censor opinions at our Forum. We essentially only censor spam, insults, and vulgarity. There may have been the odd additional thread deleted but that is a rare happening, and it would certainly not be because of negative opinions about LingQ. The oft recurring discussing about the points issue is one example.
@Steve: "...As to censorship here, other than spammers, and unwanted links to other sites, and the occasional personal insults, we do not censor this forum."
Well you did once censor some light-hearted (and entirely cleanly worded) jokes about Benny which I posted in an alcoholic moment shortly before last Christmas, didn't you Steve? ;-)
However, I agree that you do generally allow people a lot of freedom. It seems very unfair of this guy, Wulfgar, to suggest that you would censor a critical discussion about LingQ's features here at this forum. I can't imagine that you would ever do that.
I read the thread. Same old.
I think the issue is that there are different approaches. LingQ, while flexible, caters itself those who are not perfectionists, who will be happy and patient in a fog, at least for a good while.
Hey, no sooner do I start this thread then I get another email from HTLAL and I am now registered. Now when I have the time, I will go and comment. Took over 30 minutes to approve me!