Glossika Mass Sentences
To finish the course in two months how's the schedule? I want english
I just listened to some of this free audio on iTunes for the Glossika Mandarin stuff. It's like Pimsleur on steroids!
@ColinJohnstone. I hate Pimsleur audio with a passion. Don't know why, just do. Because I thought I had to listen to the Korean Pimsleur audio I had purchased, I ended up avoiding listening to Korean. I finally gave myself permission to hate the Pimsleur audio even while I acknowledged that listening helped make some connections in my language learning. Now I am open to listening to other audio, such as the CD's that come with my Korean textbooks.
On the other hand, I like the Glossika sentences. There is a difference between listening to the Mass Sentences (GMS), which say the sentence once in 4 minutes, and the Spaced Repetition (GSR) which repeat the sentences for the last 4 days for 15 minutes. I can see how you might compare the GSR to Pimsleur on steroids. Haha.
I quite like Pimsleur. It is also like some sort of sentence spaced repetition audio thing. But what I never liked about Pimsleur is how long we have to wait between the sentences. We have to spend so much time listening to the narrator talk in English and so little time listening to the good stuff. The Glossika audio I was listening to yesterday cuts out the superfluous pulp.
@jreidy I know exactly what are your feelings about talking in one breath. You know, I read your sentence up there and I find myself in these words. I also am very anxious about reaching this level of fluency.
But, what I can say through my experience. I've been in contact with English for almost 10 years and I began to study it more seriously about 3 years ago. Moreover my native language is Portuguese, so English is not a distant language. Despite all that, just now I am able to speak English by one breath. And there are LOTS of situations in which I became lost and lose my "one-breath sentences" during the conversation or while I am trying to write something, like I am doing now. You know, what I am trying to say is: be patient and everything will work on one day or another.
This one-breath talking is something very interesting to acquire, but you can have pleasurable conversation making pauses to think what you want to say, like I do in Japanese with some friends. Make sure you will speak when you feel comfortable to and get in mind that it will not be a problem if you mix some English words into the conversation in Korean.
Good luck in your studies, dear. I hope you enjoy your studies in Korean and hope you become able to speak with your friends and have fun with them, even if it'd be not in one breath ;)
I am still unable to find out the differences of the Glossika products, maybe I am just too dumb. GMS or GSR? Ebooks or printed books? Fluency pack - what does that all mean? My emails to Glossika are not answered.
What did you buy for learning Chinese?
I am just using his Mandarin staff for improving my sentence reproduction. I think it is a good and convenient material with good intermediate vocabulary. To go through it from beginning to end as Mike suggests is definitely for the 'disciplined' language learners. But even the 'hedonist' learner (like me) can benefit from it.
I consider myself a novice hoping to work my way up to beginner. I had intended to use Glossika's Mass Sentences later in my training. Yet, when I downloaded Glossika, I decided to give it a try, and I find that I know a lot of the words in the first level, and the sentences are things I want to be able to say with practice. It is understandable to me, at least so far.
Glossika recommends listening to all the sentences once first. That gives you the overview. Then to try out the program for 3 - 4 weeks and see what happens. It isn't just to passively listen, but to be engaged with the sentences, if you are following their methodology.
So far, it is keeping my interest. I am glad with this purchase.
If it is possible to buy just the audio Glossika Spaced Repetition Fluency Level 1, then that would be my suggestion for someone who isn't ready to buy the whole program. You listen to one GSR a day on the "relaxed" approach.
I was thinking of trying it out for Chinese. I am still very much a beginner, so maybe given what Robert said, it would be best if I wait for a while.
I bought and have been using the Russian fluency package, as a way to revise my Russian while on public transport. Good audio material, suitably packaged in convenient mp3s for on-the-go listening and repeating. The PDFs are a bit clumsy to use, e.g. useless on mobile. It contains the type of spoken language phrases that internet radio and typical "interesting content" language lessons don't contain.
Definitely a useful tool for me. Recommended.
ad Steve: (...) ... I would prefer to spend 8 months on content of interest to me. (...)
Who knows, maybe you'd find the sentences interesting?
Just because it is a list of sentences this does not mean it cannot be of interest to you, I guess. Unless, of course, you are not referring to the content itself but to the way of its presentation.
There are many different ways of increasing your vocabulary. I find Mike's approach very effective and it works for me, but certainly not for everybody.
I like this kind of material. I would not use it as a beginner. In my opinion you have to be at least at a lower intermediate level, understanding the basic grammatical structures of a language and knowing a couple of thousand words or so. That's when Mike's products (and similar study material - after all he did not reinvent the wheel even though he has done a really fine job in my opinion) work best for me.
I use them as a supplement to my other study material (just as Mike suggests on his site).
I find such material very useful to get speaking because you train many typical structures and phrases.
You can actually internalize a great number of useful structures.
But if you don't like it, it won't work for you.
You have to see for yourself. It is basically what Langenscheidt offers for languages such as English, French, Italian and Spanish.
It has always worked for me and I am very happy Mike offers this kind of product for languages no other publisher would care about.
P.S. Actually, this material is not so different from what Steve introduced on this site some time ago with his "language patterns" - just with many more example sentences and structures.
May I suggest an Important addendum to your "witnessed" list?
"and should I falter and slow down - or even miss my goal - I shall just begin again!
Edited for nonsense. (and I gave myself a rose by mistake) Honestly, it was a mistake!
MP3 + pdf. Yes, example sentences with text. It looks pretty nice and the sound quality is really good.
Ok, but is it just example sentences with audio? It seems to come in the form of a book or ebook, but is it also some sort of software?
I have it for russian, but I don´t think this works for me. Maybe when I can use the language better. I can´t really learn that way, I have to let it sink in "from behind", first learn to understand and then, let it pop up in my head, when I speak. I don´t know, its kind of good, but maybe not worth the time you have to spend with it. Everyone is different, so it might work better fore some. I wish it would work better, but Steve's (and others) way of learning, is the only way that really seems to work for me. It´s not thousand different sentences, some is "yes" and "no" - answers.
So what's the dealio with this Glossika stuff? Is it good? I would be interested to give it a shot. It is a bit of money, but it looks like the money pays for a lot of stuff. I don't really understand the description. Is it just thousands of example sentences?
"I've been studying for 5 months and taking an online class for 2 months (where we practice speaking for 1 hour a week) and I simply can't speak yet. I am so slow."
Hmm, that doesn't seem particularly slow to me. I couldn't speak basic German properly after 4 months, and I was doing 13 hours of lessons a week.
There seems to be something about the combination of East Asian languages and self appointed language "gurus" that seem to keep coming up with this same type of method?
Khatzumoto, Glossika, Scott Young's recent experiment.. etc. all of them push the mass beginner sentence craze.
I suspect the real reason is that the scripts in some of these languages can sometimes be impenetrable (although not the case for Korean), and that useful natural content with script/text is often very hard to find.
But there is also something about the approach that is (kinda) effective. But I, personally, wouldn't want to do it for than a month or two, at most.
My very strong interest is to be able to speak with my Korean friends. I've been studying for 5 months and taking an online class for 2 months (where we practice speaking for 1 hour a week) and I simply can't speak yet. I am so slow. I want to be able to say sentences in one breath, not stop at the end of every word to think about particles and pause to consider word order. I want sentences I can recall quickly.
I will still read and work on building my vocabulary. I will still do many things. But I am adding Glossika so that I will write, type, listen, speak, and analyze sentences until their patterns reveal themselves to me.
And need no witness.
I would prefer to spend 8 months on content of interest to me.
You all are my witnesses. As of today. I commit to 20 minutes a day of studying Glossika until I finish the 3000 sentences (about 8 months, I figure.)
Mike Campbell may be great language guru, but his website is a total mess. He is offering so many similar products (GMS, GSR, ebooks, printed books, fluency packs, business packs, ...), and he is not able to explain to his prospective custumers what the differences and objectives of his products are.
He's releasing a lot of new languages (and language combinations) I see. Soon there'll even be Icelandic!
Mike Campbell = classy act ;-)